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Feb-05-12
 | | lost in space: No need to analyze. Know the game and the combo (Rxe4 Qxg3 Rxd4). Waiting for Monday |
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| Feb-05-12 | | mohannagappan: today i am missing dzechiel and super patzer77 comments |
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| Feb-05-12 | | mohannagappan: i am not a professional chess player that is why i am not having analytical skills but i am confident i will improve my skills with chessgames,com |
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Feb-05-12
 | | Once: A few days ago I offered a life philosophy which included the phrase <always be curious>. Now, I have to admit that it doesn't sound as macho as Conan's way of seeing things. What is best in life?
<To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6...
Which is itself an echo of Genghis Khan: <The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.> Or Nietzsche's <What does not kill me, makes me stronger>. Or Forrest Gump: <life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.> But this is what I meant. On today's starting position... 
click for larger view... if you have a curious mind, you can't help noticing that there is an unobstructed diagonal which includes the black king, black queen and white queen. And none of the other pieces can lay a glove on this diagonal. Which is interesting.
Then you notice that if you could get your DSB onto f4 you would pin and win the black queen. Which is also interesting.
There is a crazy looking move which allows this. 23. Rxe4 threatening Bf4. The rook cannot be taken. So black either has to dance his knight out of the way (23...Nf5 perhaps) or play 23...Qxg3. And because this is a forced line we have to be curious about it. That brings us to here... 
click for larger viewWe are a queen down and our rook is en prise. But, don't be afraid of the dark. Hold my hand. Stay curious about the position for just a little longer, my friend. And then you notice that the black queen has no escape squares except back along the diagonal she just came down. And that means that Bf4 still pins and wins. And that gives us time for 24. Rxd4 and the black queen is still trapped. Black has to give it back. So far so good. We are curious about this combination because it is forced, it eliminates a dangerous black central pawn and it frees our pieces. But it doesn't win much material, so it is any good? And that's when curiousity gives way to judgement, to see that white's pawns and bishop pair will dominate the board. Maybe our little combination is worth playing after all. Let's give the final word to Conan, praying to his god Crom on the eve of battle. <Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zDM...
Today white's bishops were the two that stood against many. But it needed a little bit of curiosity to put them there. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | sethoflagos: <<Once:>...So black either has to dance his knight out of the way (23...Nf5 perhaps) or play 23...Qxg3.> 23...Nf3+ 24.gxf3 Qxg3 25.fxg3 dxe4 26.fxe4 g5 is an interesting line 
click for larger viewBlack keeps some shape to his k-side and it's up to white to prove his bishop pair can out-manoeuvre black's rooks |
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Feb-05-12
 | | sevenseaman: Equal. I cannot shake off a vague sense of deja vu. I was so impressed by Fischer's brilliant idea that underpinned this game that I recalled the general drift no sooner than I saw the home page. I remember its a long affair.
Curiosity will not let me rest and I am hungry for recalling details w/o having to look up. The part I remember; <23.Rxe4 Qxg3 24. Rxd4 Qg4 25. Rxg4 Bxg4 26. Bxg6 Rhg8 27. Bh7 Rh8 28. Bd3 Rde8 29. f7 Re7 30. f8=Q Rxf8 31. Bb4 Rff7 32. Bxe7 Rxe7> Its still a long way off and I am likely to lose the thread now. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | piltdown man: He was the greatest. Ever. |
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Feb-05-12
| | sevenseaman: <sethoflagos> <23...Nf3+ 24.gxf3 Qxg3 25.fxg3 dxe4 26.fxe4 g5 is an interesting line> Interesting but White may prefer it to go like this;
23..Nf3+ 24. Qxf3 dxe4 25. Bxe4 Bf5 26. Bd3 Bxd3 27. cxd3 Rhf8 28. Bf4 with even more interesting possibilities. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | amurph64: I had seen this before in a fischer most memorable moves book, it's fair to say at this point in his career Fischer was head and shoulders above everyone in the chess world, and if he had not pushed the self destruct button then only god knows how high his ranking would have gone.
His demolition of spassky would no doubt have been followed by a similiar treatment of the young but improving karpov. Sadly we can but speculate on what might have been. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | Memethecat: 20 mins of looking blankly at the puzzle & still no clear idea how to proceed, so i sit back & enjoy Fischers incredible vision, from his all to short golden period. The combo only wins a pawn but the overwhelming K side pawn maj is unstoppable. Here in the UK we were recently treated to a BBC4 documentary on this tortured, ranting genius & i got the impression he was affraid to lose the title, his ego seemed to get the better of him, what a shame. madness does appear to be a by-product of too many hours spent looking at a chequered board, i put forward the personalities on this site as exhibit A. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Rosbach: 23.Rxe4 dxe4 24.Bf4 exd3 25.Bxc7+ Ka8 26.Qxd3...well, it doesn't seem to be the right solution. Black's Knight at d4 is an obstacle. Other scenario is 23.Rxe4 dxe4 24.Bf4 Qxf4 25.Qxf4+ Ka8 26.Bf1...again Black's Knight is an issue. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | LoveThatJoker: So looking at the position, it struck me quite early on that ideally it would be nice if White could get away with RXP followed by RXN. For the first minute or so, I was thinking that Black could refute that, but in truth he can't! Puzzle solved in Descriptive notation in honour of Bobby Fischer: 23. RxP! QxQ (if 23...PXR 24. B-KB4 QxB 25. QxQ+ K-R1 26. QxKP B-B4 27. Q-K3 and White is winning  ; if 23...N-K3 24. R-K5! B-B1 25. QR-K1 with a pawn plus the initiative) 24. RxN! QxB (if 24...Q-K4 25. B-B4 and White will still maintain his pawn plus at the least) 25. PxQ and White wins a pawn. LTJ |
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Feb-05-12
 | | morfishine: Instead of gaiining the exchange but losing the game, perhaps Black should aim for an opposite-colored Bishop endgame with <23.Rxe4 Qxg3 24.Rxd4 Qxd3 25.Rxd3 Bf5 26.Rc3 Rdc8>
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Clearly, Black's position has little to recommend it, but it may be worth a look |
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| Feb-05-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Black resigned because of 48. P-R4 which wins.
As for my solution, I actually saw that 24...Q-N5 was replied to by 25. RxQ as it was obvious to me as the "point." Oh well. I can't claim full credit today, but can't take away too much either. I should have written down the line so as to dispell any ambiguity. 50% for me today and my streak ends at 13 straight and 6.5 out of 7 for the week. LTJ |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Andrijadj: For me, the cleverest (if not the best) move here is 18. Rg3. At first sight, this move does nothing in particular and is a waste of time. However, it sets a deep trap-it "invites" black to play natural (for French Defence with long castling) Kb8,move his king from possibly lethal c-line, and then proceed with his f5 and e5 break. But Kb8 actually makes Bobby's trap work-it lines black's Queen and King at the same diagonal, which enables f5 to be countered with this beautiful Rxe4-Rxd4 combination. This game shows Bobby was also a great psychologists, besides his uncanny ability to find continuous excellent moves over the board. |
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Feb-05-12
| | Memethecat: <Once> you made a very good point the other day about people passing of engine analysis as there own, or trying to make us believe they found the answer without a sly peek. But regular readers know or suspect who is culpable & as <chrisowen> is fond of pointing out "they only fool themselves". The video thingie on stockfish sounds interesting but i'm finding the more books & tools i get & use to improve my game equates paradoxically to less & less actual playing. |
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Feb-05-12
| | Once: <Memethecat> The sad fact of life is that we can't buy chess experience, no matter what the books and DVDs claim. Bookseller: "This book will do half your coursework for you." Student: "That's great. I'll take two."
Having said that, I'm enjoying two DVDs at the moment by Gm Simon Williams - one on the classical dutch and one on the French (mostly the Winawer poisoned pawn). Both well recommended. But you are quite right. Nothing really beats playing lots and lots of games. |
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Feb-05-12
 | | David2009: Fischer vs S Schweber, 1970 23? - Truly insane. Not even close (I toyed with 23.Qxc7+ but couldn't make the intended Queenless mating attack work). Here's a link to Crafty Endgame Simulator: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
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The cautious robot refuses Fischer's kindly offer of the exchange and prefers to retreat the Queen with 24. Qc7. Enjoy finding the win, either by computer or (for greater challenge) on your own - your choice! Meanwhile I shall enjoy digesting the kibitzes from my peers and betters. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | TheRavenPK: After 4 days lasting party I woke up, traveled 250 km home and load chessgames.com to look for a Sunday puzzle I have solved once before. I saw that link to the game was purple, not its usual blue. I was like "Fischer, hm, and I have seen this before, I have to find it". Twenty seconds later I found the main idea and about minute later the right move order.
All I want to say is Yeah MAN !!!! :D |
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Feb-05-12
| | Memethecat: <Once> I'm only a year into the study side of things & my head is swimming with idea's put forward in books, some to advanced for my level. have they improved my game? not greatly, but i'm hoping in time some of the info will be absorbed & useful. BTW like the joke, if only it was that simple, but if it was that simple, chess would not have the appeal it has. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Penguincw: Double crown! Former GOTD and current POTD! Anyways, since it's a Sunday puzzle, I didn't expect queen exchange then done. I wasn't sure what to do. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Nemesistic: I'm closer to Jennifer Annistons bedroom than i am to solving this! And after a sneak peak i see this game lasts 45+ moves,so asking anyone to "solve" this from move 23 is asking them to see further than Fischer in his prime could.. No wander its classed as Insane! |
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Feb-05-12
 | | Patriot: Material is even.
Black threatens 23...exd3.
23.Rxe4 (threatening 23...Bf4) Qxg3 24.Rxd4 and the black queen has no safe squares. 24...Qc7 25.Bf4 wins the queen back with a pawn advantage, although I don't think it's over. The f6 pawn is far advanced and could succumb to attack. |
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Feb-05-12
| | Patriot: I missed the critical 24...Qg4 25.Rxg4 Bxg4 winning the exchange at that juncture. But white wins more material with 26.Bxg6 etc. making the line worthwhile. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | newzild: I've seen this before, unfortunately, although I did kind of get it once before (found the key, anyway). One of Fischer's finest, in my opinion. |
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