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May-03-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Thanks Perfidious.
There appears to be a lot of Jacksons. Just googled it. About 30! |
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| May-03-18 | | Howard: All this commentary, and no one has addressed the "silicon" question yet... |
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May-03-18
 | | offramp: "What this country needs is towns that are more like Jackson, Missouri and less like Jackson, Michigan!" LAUGHING FROM PRESS CORPS. |
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May-03-18
| | offramp: <Perfidious> Where are you from? You often make posts in (what I think is) a southern drawl, but are you from that area or just having a joke? |
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| May-03-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <offramp: <Perfidious> Where are you from? You often make posts in (what I think is) a southern drawl, but are you from that area or just having a joke?> Instead of burning countless calories in idle speculation you could you just click on <Perfidious> |
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May-03-18
| | offramp: <ChessHigherCat> you are correct. He is a poker player. |
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| May-03-18 | | Muttley101: <offramp>, regarding your analysis of 48 .. Nf3 by black, I wondered why white should play 50. b3 and allow a4? Is this an engine line or do you have a justification for why 50. b3 is required? |
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| May-03-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <offramp> Well I guess he as now removed that information from his profile (precisely because he doesn't want anyone to know it) but in the past year or so that I've been a member he's mentioned at least 20 times that he's from a northeastern state, which shall remain nameless. Anyway, people don't write in dialect to mimic their own dialects, they generally aren't even aware of their own dialect. In any case, it's against the posting rules to ask a kibbitzer for personal details or even insinuate that he, she or it might be a person. |
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May-03-18
| | offramp: ChessHigherCat: <offramp> Well I guess he as now removed that information from his profile (precisely because he doesn't want anyone to know it) but in the past year or so that I've been a member he's mentioned at least 20 times that he's from a northeastern state, which shall remain nameless.> I am in Europe so I LIKE America but I am not obsessive about it. <Anyway, people don't write in dialect to mimic their own dialects, they generally aren't even aware of their own dialect.> Correct. I was a bit stupid there. Here is how to pronounce "Flipping Heck".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4... |
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| May-03-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <offramp>: Flaming Nora! |
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May-03-18
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Howard,
Offramp's analysis seems OK. The previous poster newzild suggests a fortress is in there. If so then a computer will toil and have to be nudged towards it. Spassky's 'easy' win may be easy for him (in hindsight) but not for us. Or for Reshevsky, Golombek, Alexander, Evans and Fine, "all that's left is a few traps." Just five of the books on this match who all say the position is a draw. They have missed the 50...b4+!! idea. But then again so did Spassky. |
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May-03-18
 | | harrylime: Bobby was in cruise mode here.
Coasting into what he considered was his.
Actually this match was so ridiculously one sided it's not true. |
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May-03-18
 | | perfidious: It is one thing for Spassky to speak of his missed win in retrospect as being 'easy', quite another for him to find it OTB in the heat of a match by which time he was trying to merely stay alive. Lot of exclams in the line provided by <offramp>, which is a most elegant one at that. |
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May-04-18
| | perfidious: Never heard of him, <CHC>; sounds like an interesting line of courses. |
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| May-04-18 | | WorstPlayerEver: Not sure if it is won. 48... Nf3 49. Nxf3 gxf3 50. Kb4
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| May-04-18 | | WorstPlayerEver: 48...Nf3 49. Nxf3 gxf3 50. Kb4 Bf7 (51. Kxb5 f2 52. Kb4 Be6 53. b3 axb3 54. cxb3 Bh3) 51. Kc3 e4 52. Kd2 Ke5 53. Nd1 Kd4 54. Ne3 Be6 55. c3+ Ke5 #dia and Black seems to make no progress.
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| May-04-18 | | WorstPlayerEver: PS SF9 gives: 48... Nf3 49. Nxf3 gxf3 50. Kd2 Kc5 51. c3 e4 52. Ke1 Be8 53. Kf2 Bd7 54. Ke1 Be6 55. Kf2 Bg4 56. Ke1 Bd7 57. Kf2 Be8 etc #dia
click for larger viewWhether White plays 51. Kb4 or 51. Kd2 in this line, in both cases they seem to have built a nice fortress :) |
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| May-04-18 | | Howard: Good job! Somehow, one would suspect that if Spassky had really missed a "forced" win in this game, someone would have discovered it quite some time ago. |
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| Jan-30-21 | | Everett: I’d love to see Carlsen’s take on this endgame |
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| Jan-30-21 | | DWINS: I just checked <offramp's> "winning" line with Stockfish 12 and it's flawed. 48...Nf3 49.Nxf3 gxf3 50.b3?? is an error. After the correct 50.b4! the position remains a draw. |
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| Apr-12-22 | | jerseybob: <offramp:.....Here is Spassky's simple win:
48... Nf3! <Instead of 48...Kc5.>49. Nxf3 gxf3
50. b3 b4+!!> Is 50.b3 forced? |
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| Jun-20-22 | | CapablancaDisciple: The times for this game from a website called crackteam.org: <<Game 20 Fischer Spassky
White Black
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 d6
6. Bg5 e6
7. Qd2 a6
8. 0-0-0 Bd7
9. f4 Be7 (0:04)
10. Be2 (0:09) 0-0 (0:14)
11. Bf3 (0:26) h6 (0:42)
12. Bh4 (0:30) Nxe4 (0:45)
13. Bxe7 (0:40) Nxd2 (0:46)
14. Bxd8 (0:40) Nxf3 (0:49)
15. Nxf3 (0:41) Rfxd8 (0:50)
16. Rxd6 (0:41) Kf8 (0:52)
17. Rhd1 (0:57) Ke7 (0:59)
18. Na4 (1:01) Be8 (1:01)
19. Rxd8 (1:03) Rxd8 (1:01)
20. Nc5 (1:05) Rb8 (1:06)
21. Rd3 (1:20) a5 (1:11)
22. Rb3 (1:20) b5 (1:17)
23. a3 (1:25) a4 (1:24)
24. Rc3 (1:28) Rd8 (1:26)
25. Nd3 (1:36) f6 (1:34)
26. Rc5 (1:40) Rb8 (1:38)
27. Rc3 (1:44) g5 (1:38)
28. g3 (1:46) Kd6 (1:46)
29. Nc5 (1:49) g4 (1:55)
30. Ne4+ (1:54) Ke7 (1:55)
31. Ne1 (1:55) Rd8 (2:04)
32. Nd3 (1:59) Rd4 (2:09)
33. Nef2 (2:01) h5 (2:09)
34. Rc5 (2:02) Rd5 (2:11)
35. Rc3 (2:06) Nd4 (2:14)
36. Rc7+ (2:07) Rd7 (2:15)
37. Rxd7+ (2:11) Bxd7 (2:17)
38. Ne1 (2:12) e5 (2:18)
39. fxe5 (2:12) fxe5 (2:18)
40. Kd2 (2:13) Bf5 (2:22)
41. Nd1 (2:23) Kd6(s) (2:37)
(Fischer was 9 minutes late for the adjournment.)
(ar) (2:32)
42. Ne3 (2:32) Be6 (2:38)
43. Kd3 (2:38) Bf7 (2:40)
44. Kc3 (2:41) Kc6 (2:40)
45. Kd3 (2:44) Kc5 (2:47)
46. Ke4 (2:49) Kd6 (2:49)
47. Kd3 (2:55) Bg6+ (2:55)
48. Kc3 (2:58) Kc5 (3:01)
49. Nd3+ (2:59) Kd6 (3:02)
50. Ne1 (2:59) Kc6 (3:10)
51. Kd2 (3:02) Kc5 (3:24)
52. Nd3+ (3:04) Kd6 (3:24)
53. Ne1 (3:04) Ne6 (3:27)
54. Kc3 (3:09) Nd4 (3:29)
½-½
To me, the activity at the board looked like Fischer was going to claim a draw by repetition with 55. Kd2, but Spassky agreed to the implied draw offer before it could be shown that the position had not yet been repeated 3 times.> > |
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Jul-16-24
| | perfidious: <offramp: <Perfidious> Where are you from?> A state called Vermont, or 'Vuhmont' as I have sometimes heard it pronounced. The further south and east one travels in this region, the more likely one is to hear that. This was another game from that phase in the match in which we saw Spassky, with his back to the wall, throw everything he had at his great opponent, but never quite manage to penetrate. While Fischer's skein from the third through tenth games took him from 0-2 down to being in complete control, I have found the games from the twelfth to the end of greater interest. Before Reykjavik, enthusiasts everywhere knew of Fischer's attacking and endgame skills, but he displayed a Steinitzian tenacity in defence after the shock defeat in game 11. |
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Jul-16-24
 | | Chessmaletaja: Spassky needed to win to save the match. How could he win Fischer with such an opening variation? After 12...♘xe4, Black has equalized but lost any real chances of a win. |
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Jul-16-24
| | Sally Simpson: in H Camara vs A C Rocha, 1978 they followed the same first 16 moves and here...
click for larger view...agreed a draw. Nobody else on C.G. has gone this way since then. |
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