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Arpad Elo vs Robert James Fischer
Milwaukee N-Western 1957  ·  Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Amsterdam Variation (B93)  ·  0-1
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Apr-04-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  bumpmobile: If 36. Rxg5 then 36...Rh4+ and white has to back his K off of defending the R
Jul-16-04
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  patzer2: Fischer's 18...Nh5! begins a deep positional combination that gives him just enough of a small advantage to win a Bishop and Pawn endgame. Note the key role the desperado move 19...Qxc3! plays in this combination.

Amazing that he had such a strong grasp of the endgame at such an early age! Yes, I'm an unabashed fan of Fischer as a player.

Jul-21-04  Shadow 812: Another interesting game from the young
Fischer(he was aged 14) at the time:
This game like so many others typifies his style and fighting spirit, where he has a tiny advantage, that with best play should not be enough to win, but yet he is able to keep up enough pressure, to induce his opponent to go astray and make the fatal error that allows Fischer to pounce and take full advantage of even the most minute of errors:
For example in this game, he does have
an advantage, because of the superior of his King, but even with the best play from his opponent it should not have been enough to win: No one has picked up on Elo's 42nd move
c4?? which in my opinion loses the game
because it allows Fischer's king access
to d4 to make the decisive infiltration
into White's territory:
Elo could (and should) have been able to hold the position with, 42. Bb7!? Ba4
43. Kf3 Bd1+
44. Ke3 Bc2
45. c4 g4
46. c5 g3 And if 46. Bd1
47. Kf3 Kd4 47.Bc8 g3
48. Kxg3 Kxc5 48.Bh3
White can draw the game!!
The way to do this is straightforward
enough. 1. get the king to e3, 2. deny the Black king access to the d4 square, 3. advance the c-pawn to create the diversion and obtain counterplay: Even at the age of 14, Fischer had the
formidable presence to get his opponent to
lend a helping hand!!
Jul-24-04
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  patzer2: <Shadow 812> Good point and great analysis in finding 42. Bb7!? as a drawing resource. Fischer wins as you noted with great positional play and a little help (e.g. small errors) from his opponent.
Aug-30-04  wall: If 42.Bb7 draws, does 48.Bb7 also draw?
Apr-21-05  soberknight: Simple pun: "Overrated"
Oct-28-06
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  CapablancaFan: Fischer defeats the guy that came up with our current rating system. Can you say Elo "inflated" is chances, ha haha haha h-....ok wasn't that funny.
Oct-28-06
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  RookFile: I've thought about that too, Capa....
you got a smile from me.

I think Elo was pretty good, like 2200 or something.

Feb-04-09  WhiteRook48: not much of an elo
Aug-01-09
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  technical draw: Elo invented his rating system after this game just to show that Fischer won because he had a higher Elo.
Oct-02-09  pericles of athens: I dont understand 18. ... Nh5
Oct-02-09
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  AnalyzeThis: I think Elo made a big mistake trading rooks, later on. When you want a draw, keep the rooks on the board.
Oct-29-09  N8M8: um El what were you thinking, oh playing Fisher must have meant the end for you...studying the sicilian for my def.
Oct-29-09  chillowack: <pericles of athens: I dont understand 18. ... Nh5> It's a double-attack: the knight attacks the queen, thus "discovering" an attack on the e5-bishop by the g7-bishop.

If 19.gxh5 then Bxe5, with another double attack, on the queen and knight; so Black wins a pawn.

Elo no doubt saw this "trap," but calculated that he would still wind up ahead by a pawn. In my opinion he wasn't losing until he misplayed the ending.

Oct-29-09  WhiteRook48: no, 48 Bb7 Kd4! and black wins
Dec-25-09
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  RandomVisitor: After 42.Bb7! white can hold, as stated above:


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Rybka 3: 6-piece tablebases in use

<[-0.27] d=36 42...Bh5> 43.Kf2 Bf7 44.Ke3 Bc4 45.Bc8 Bb3 46.Ba6

[-0.27] d=36 42...Bb5 43.Kf3 Bc4 44.Bc8 Bd3 45.Bf5 Ba6 46.Ke3 Bc4 47.Bc8 Bb3 48.Ba6

[-0.27] d=36 42...Ba4 43.Kf3 Bb3 44.Bc8 Bc2 45.Bf5 Ba4 46.Ke3 Bb5 47.Bg4

Dec-25-09
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  RandomVisitor: Black might have gotten more out of 18...Nxe4! 19.Nxe4 Qxe5 .
Dec-25-09
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  RandomVisitor: After 42...Kd4 White <might> be able to hold by sacking the c-pawn and moving the bishop to g6.


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Rybka 3: 6-piece tablebase in use

<[-1.69] d=35 43.Kf2> Ba4 44.c5 Kxc5 45.Bf7 Kd4 46.Bg6 Ke5 47.Kf3 Bd7 48.Kg3 Bc8 49.Kf3 Kd4 50.Be8 Be6

[-1.69] d=35 43.Bb7 Bh5 44.Kf2

Dec-25-09  mojonera: arpad elo did not invented the rating system or uscf rating system , it was created by kenneth harkness .
Dec-25-09
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  alexmagnus: <arpad elo did not invented the rating system or uscf rating system , it was created by kenneth harkness .> So can we call this game a matchup of fake inventors? ;) Elo didn't invent the Elo system while Fischer didn't invent "Fischer clock".
Mar-04-12  screwdriver: Nice to see both great players played at the Northwestern tournament in Milwaukee.
Jun-25-12  hottyboy90: So if 42.Bb7 can't Black just play Bb5 and thus maneuver his bishop to attack the e4 pawn??
Jun-25-12  Chess Magician: After 42..Kd4 there was a zugzwang sort of position for white, Elo should resign at that point.
Jun-29-12  hottyboy90: Chess Magician,if 42.Bb7 black can't play Kd4.
Jun-29-12  hottyboy90: I realize you were referring to the actual game and not the possibilities within.
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