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|Feb-08-06|| ||RookFile: So, this is all old news, this stuff was analyzed a long time ago. I think even Wade and O'Connell's book has some analysis of this. Black did have a winning line, but it wasn't the easiest one in the world to find.|
|May-11-07|| ||Richard Taylor: Pachman beat Fischer at the board here - he was great player. I have read Checkmate in Prague and sold a copy of it via abebooks. It is very good. He overdoes his anti-communism as in reality neither Czechoslovakia or Russi awere remotely even socailist for a long time - Russia just another Imperialist country and thte leaders of Czexklsovaki were pawns (but they didnt always play chess!) - even Dubcek to a degree - but it is interesting. He had some courageous and good political views and his Chess is great - I think his chess would have been better but for the interference of the repressive regime he lived in (he was involved in political activity for some time)...whatever you call it. His books on strategy are great and also his book on famous great tournament finales. He comes across as good man overall and a very interesting chess player and theorist. He also had some interesting adventures touring in Yugoslavia etc 'C Mte in P' is a good book.|
|Feb-23-08|| ||PolishPentium: Instead of 24...exd5, PP would like to suggest, 24...Rh1+. The Bishop at a6 must then interpose to avert the mate, THEN 25...Qg2 threatens mate. Once the White king scurries away to d2, as it must, surely Black can think of further nastiness...^^|
|Feb-23-08|| ||Pawn and Two: <PolishPentium> Your suggestion of 24...Rh1+ was previously reviewed on this page. It looks tempting, but it is a losing move for Black.|
After 24...Rh1+ 25.Bf1 Qg2 26.Kd2, how do you propose Black should continue? If 26...Qxf2+ 27.Kd3, and White is winning. Or if 26...Qg5+ 27.Kd3, and again White is winning.
White is also winning after 24...Rh1+ 25.Bf1 Qg2 26.Qd3 or 26.Qc4.
After 24...Rh1+?, the move 25.Bf1 wins for White. However, after Fischer's move 24...Qg1?, the move 25.Bf1 actually loses for White, after 25...Qxf1+ 26.Kd2 Rxf2+.
In "How To Beat Bobby Fischer", Edmar Mednis states, <"Not 25.Bf1?? Qxf1+ 26.Kxf1 Rh1 mate! This was Bobby's idea, but plans based just on cheapos do not work against top-level competition in tournament games.">
Mednis recommended 24...Ne7, indicating that it would save the Knight and give Black definite practical chances. However, Mednis did not note the much stronger, and winning move for Black, 24...exd5!.
|May-09-08|| ||CharlesSullivan: I agree that Fischer should have played 24...exd5! winning. But unmentioned is the toughest defense -- 25.b1! when it appears the (only?) winning move is 25...b5!! and, giving only one variation among many possibilities, we get something like 26.xb5 b8 27.d3 h1+ 31.c1 h4 32.d3 f8! (taking the time to protect the knight) 33.exd5 xd3 34.xd3 e4+ 35.e3 xc2 wins.|
|Feb-13-09|| ||zev22407: I think that 22)e4-e5 was wrong, better was 22)K-e2 f5xe4 23)R-f1 every weakness is covered and white has a huge advantage.|
|May-23-10|| ||SU1989: Such an appropriate pun for today! It's Pac-Man's 30th anniversary :)|
|May-23-10|| ||Once: CG gives us a collection of delights today. We have a clever pun to remind me of my youth. Happy birthday pacman! I was more of a space invaders/ Galaxians fan, but I certainly wasted quite a lot of my teenage cash on the gobbling yellow ball. That strange and pitiful whoo-woo-woo sound as he was eaten by a ghost will stay with me forever.|
Then we have a sparklng game where Fischer sacs into a fierce attack that nearly, but not quite, works. All praise to him for trying, but Pachman did well to find a defence.
Add to that the delightful story of Fischer sweeping the pieces off the board and storming away without signing the scoresheet.
And to top it all, we have an amusing history of kibbitzing where ardent Fischerites don't realise that they are being trolled. Of course, Fischer wasn't outplayed in every phase of this game ... you were just being reeled in.
Chess isn't like soccer. I don't feel the need to support and defend any one player, living or dead. I would rather be a connoisseur, taking pleasure from all parts of the game and all who have ever played it well.
|May-23-10|| ||chesstyro: was it a mistake for bobby not to exchange his knight for the white bishop early on? I know its a beginners question but i am always wondering why players do not take that exchange whenever possible|
|May-23-10|| ||tivrfoa: very clever pun. Pac Man indeed|
|May-23-10|| ||Marmot PFL: 20 Kh1 Qh5 21 Rg1+ and 22 Rg2 seems like a simpler defense. Fischer was not in good form and I think finished last in this tournament.|
|May-23-10|| ||Peter Nemenyi: <Fischer was not in good form and I think finished last in this tournament.> I don't know where you got that idea. Fischer may not have been in great form in this event but he still dealt with the local masters easily enough, and finished in a three-way tie for fourth out of thirteen.|
You may be thinking of Buenos Aires 1960, the worst tournament of Fischer's life, but there he placed 14/20. He never finished last in a tournament, except perhaps at the chess club as a child.
|May-23-10|| ||bambino3: love the pawn center|
|May-23-10|| ||Marmot PFL: <Peter Nemenyi> Yes, I was thinking of Buenos Aries. Some of his mistakes there were almost amateur level. Here he just miscalculated in a sharp position.|
|May-23-10|| ||montree: Unsound attack! 21.Bc8 is winning for white. I don't see any mating attack on white so material deficit will count in the end.|
|May-23-10|| ||WhiteRook48: and the red ghost dude is fischer...|
|May-24-10|| ||kevin86: A rare loss by Fischer,heck,he was only sixteen at the time.|
PacMan was big at one time,but that was over twenty years ago!! Anybody remember the TV show? It was even too corny for the Cartoon Network or even the other cartoon channel.
|Nov-30-11|| ||Caissanist: This game is thoroughly annotated by Lubosh Kavalek today in his Huffington Post article "When Bobby Fischer Played Chess Like Misha Tal": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lubom....|
Kavalek agrees that 24..exd5! was Fischer's clearest win, although 24..Rf4 (Pachman) and 24..Ne7 (Fischer) also appear to win.
|Dec-10-11|| ||Calli: "Lubosh" annotates http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lubom...|
|Dec-11-11|| ||RandomVisitor: After 24...exd5! <Rybka4.1>
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<[-3.12] d=22 25.Bf1> Qg1 26.Kd2 Rxf2+ 27.Kc3 Rxc2+ 28.Kxc2 Ne7 29.Kb1 f2 30.a4 Qg6 31.Ka2 Qxe4 32.Ba3 Rf7 33.Rd2 Rf3 34.e6 Qf4 35.Rdc2 Nf5 36.Rxc7 Qe3 37.Rb1 Qd2+ 38.Rb2 Qe1 39.Rb1 h5 40.Rbc1
|Dec-11-11|| ||RandomVisitor: Next best after 24...exd5:
[-1.24] d=21 24...b5 25.Bxb5 exd5 26.Qd3 Rh1+ 27.Qf1 Rxf1+ 28.Bxf1 Rf4 29.Kd2 Rxe4+ 30.Kc2 Qh4 31.Kb1 Nxd4 32.Bd3 Ne6 33.Bxe4 Qxe4+ 34.Ka2 d4 35.Rh1 c5 36.a4 Qf5 37.Rh6 Qxe5 38.Rg1+ Kf8 39.Rxh7 Qe2
[-0.48] d=21 24...Ne7 25.dxe6 c6 26.Qd3 Rh1+ 27.Qf1 Rxf1+ 28.Bxf1 Rf4 29.Kd2 Rxe4+ 30.Kc2 Rh4 31.Kb1 Rh2 32.d5 cxd5 33.Bd4 Qg6+ 34.Rc2 Qxe6 35.Bb5 Rh4 36.Bb2
|Dec-15-11|| ||RandomVisitor: Final look at the position after 24...exd5: <Rybka4.1>|
[-3.46] d=25 24...exd5 25.Bf1 Qg1 26.Kd2 Rxf2+ 27.Kc3 Rxc2+ 28.Kxc2 Ne7 29.Kb1 f2 30.Ka2 Qg4 31.a4 Qxe4 32.Ba3 Rf7 33.Rd2 Rf3 34.e6 Nf5 35.Re2 Qxd4 36.e7 Nxe7 37.Bxe7 Re3 38.Rcc2 Qd3 39.Rb2 Rxe7
[-1.71] d=25 24...b5 25.Bxb5 exd5 26.Bf1 Qg1 27.Kd2 Rxf2+ 28.Kc3 Rxc2+ 29.Kxc2 Ne7 30.a4 Rb8 31.Kb1 Qe3 32.Rc3 Qxe4+ 33.Bd3 Qg4 34.Ka2 Nf5 35.Bxf5 Qxf5 36.Rg1+ Kh8 37.Rf1 f2 38.e6 Rb6 39.Re3 Rxe6
[-1.23] d=25 24...Ne7 25.dxe6 c6 26.Bf1 Qg1 27.Kd2 Rxf2+ 28.Kc3 Rxc2+ 29.Kxc2 Qg6 30.Bd3 Qg2+ 31.Kb1 f2 32.d5 cxd5 33.exd5 Qxd5 34.Ka2 Rd8 35.Bxh7+ Kxh7 36.Rxd5 Rxd5 37.b4 a4 38.Bc3 Rd3 39.Rf1 Rxc3
After 24...Rf4 critical is 25.Bf1 Qg1 26.dxc6 Rxf2 27.Qxf2 Rxe4+ 28.Kd2 Qxf2+ 29.Kc3 where white might hold the draw.
|Dec-16-11|| ||AylerKupp: It doesn't seem fair to indicate how Fischer could have won after 24...exd5 without also indicating how Pachman could have won (or at least avoided losing) earlier. After 21...Rf8 we reach the following position:
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I didn't go into great engine search depth but here instead of Pachman's 22.e5 ([-0.10], d=22) Critter 1.2 recommends one of the following lines instead:
1. [+1.81], d=22: 22.Ke2 Qh5+ 23.Ke1 fxe4 24.Be2 Qxd5 25.Kd2 Rfxf2 26.Rg1+ Kf8 27.Rcf1 Ne5 28.Rxf2+ Rxf2 29.Kc1 Nd3+ 30.Kb1 c6 31.Rh1 Nxb2 32.Qxb2 Qg5 33.Qc1 Qg2 34.Bc4 Rb2+ 35.Qxb2 Qxh1+ 36.Ka2 Ke7 37.Qf2
2. [+1.30], d=22: 22.Rd2 fxe4 23.Qxe4 exd5 24.Qxd5+ Qxd5 25.Bc4 Ne7 26.e4 Qxc4+ 27.Rxc4 c6 28.Rc3 Rd8 29.Rg3+ Kf7 30.Rf3+ Ke8 31.Rf6 h5 32.Rh6 Rh1+ 33.Kg2 Rh4 34.d5 Rg4+ 35.Kh3 cxd5 36.exd5 Rg6
3. [0.00], d=22: 22.Ke1 fxe4 23.Bf1 Rfxf2 24.Qxf2 Rxf2 25.Kxf2 Ne7 26.Bh3 Qh4+ 27.Kg2 Nxd5 28.Re1 Kf8 29.Re2 Qg5+ 30.Kh2 Nxe3 31.Rf2+ Ke8 32.Rg1 Qh4 33.Rg8+ Ke7 34.Rg7+ Ke8 35.Rg8+
After 22.e5 f4, instead of Pachman's 23.e4 (a line which Critter 1.2 evaluates at [-3.32], d=23), Critter 1.2 recommends as "best" ([-0.11], d=23: 23.Ke2 Rxf2+ 24.Kxf2 fxe3+ 25.Ke2 Rf2+ 26.Kd3 Nb4+ 27.axb4 Qf5+ 28.Kc3 Rxc2+ 29.Rxc2 axb4+ 30.Kxb4 Qxc2 31.Rg1+ Kf8 32.Rf1+ Ke7 33.d6+ cxd6 34.exd6+ Kxd6 35.Bc3 Qa2 36.Ra1 Qh2 37.Bc4 Kc6 38.Ra7 h6 39.Bb5+ Kd5 40.Bc4+ Ke4 41.Rb7 Qd6+ 42.Kb5 h5 43.Rxb6 Qd7+ 44.Kb4 Qe7+ 45.Ka4 e5 46.dxe5 h4
A more than [-5.00] eval difference between what Critter 1.2 evaluates as the best moves and the moves that Pachman actually plays on moves 22 and 23! So it looks like 22.e5 was the move that caused Pachman to lose his advantage, at least as far as Critter 1.2 is concerned. And he greatly added to his disadvantage with 23.e4.
Does anyone know if time trouble was a factor? We're looking at moves missed by both players.
<Random Visitor> Care to analyze the position after 21...Rf8 and after 22...f4 with Rybka and see what kind of evals you get?
|May-28-12|| ||The Big Lebowski: You can see it already in 1959 the young Fischer pressing for the win! Not quite ready yet.|
|Jun-21-12|| ||offramp: |
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It is odd to see Fischer with three pieces en prise. But he played black very differently to the way he played white.
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