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Viktor Korchnoi vs Robert James Fischer
Curacao Candidates (1962), Willemstad CUW, rd 12, May-20
King's Indian Defense: Fianchetto Variation. Uhlmann-Szabo System (E62)  ·  0-1
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Mar-23-11  ewan14: Sorry but Fischer's wins against Korchnoi were in the early 60's as well

i.e. Stockholm interzonal & Cuaracao

1967 Souzze ( ? ) draw

1970 draw

Mar-23-11  fab4: Yes that's true. It's a shame they did'nt meet more often. There encounters were always fascinating.
Mar-23-11  pawn to QB4: <I would be interested to hear Viktor's thoughts on Bobby as an opponent.> From his autobiography it's clear he thought very highly of his abilities: "one sensed Fischer was developing into a very powerful force": this from the mid 60s, when he seems to think Spassky, for instance, underestimated the danger. Korchnoi declined to be help Petrosian in his candidates' final v Fischer, commenting that he'd expected more grief for this refusal than he got from the Soviet authorities...speculated that they went easy on him "because they knew the devil himself couldn't help Petrosian against Fischer" - and this at a time when he regarded Petrosian as a formidable opponent for himself. So clearly he had a high regard for Fischer's ability, which, of course, was the correct estimation.
Mar-25-11  newzild: < fab4: Korchnoi blundered. and that's that.. and that's chess. This is no swindle.

As for Victor's record against RJF, again it's a case of wins in the early 60's when Fischer was young and arrogant...

To suggest korchnoi had Fischer's number is just silly.>

I don't understand why it is "silly" to suggest Korchnoi had Fischer's measure. As pointed out by <ewan14>, the last two games between these two were drawn. Of the other four, Korchnoi won two and should have won a third (this one). Have you studied those games? Because I have - all six of them. Korchnoi had a scrappy playing style that seemed to trouble Bobby.

Mar-25-11  newzild: <pawn to QB4> Thanks. Interesting comments from Korchnoi.
Nov-30-11  King Death: newzild: < To suggest korchnoi had Fischer's number is just silly.>

<I don't understand why it is "silly" to suggest Korchnoi had Fischer's measure.>

The way I understand the meaning of the phrase "to have (somebody's) number", it's when one player or team has a big advantage over another. If this was the intent by <fab4>, then I agree.

< As pointed out by <ewan14>, the last two games between these two were drawn. Of the other four, Korchnoi won two and should have won a third (this one).>

No question Korchnoi "should have won". But he didn't. There was the other Korchnoi win at Curacao, which Fischer "should have" won. Then there's the game at Sousse, which both players "could have" won. I think we're getting pretty deep into supposition country here.

<Korchnoi had a scrappy playing style that seemed to trouble Bobby.>

Fischer did seem to have an easier time when he was given his way. Korchnoi had an understanding of how to cause him trouble.

Dec-08-11
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  HeMateMe: In chessbase today, there is a story about the Anand/Nakamura game. Korchnoi was in the press room, complaining that the KID is horrible, easy to beat, etc.

But--he has three games in the database against KID proponent Bobby Fischer, where fischer playd the KID. BF gets two wins and a draw, not too bad for a worthless opening.

Here, Korchnoi blunders (more likely miscalculates one of his two passed pawns becoming a Queen) a piece on move 32.

Aug-25-12  tivrfoa: 32. ♖c1??
If Korchnoi had at least draw this game, he would have a plus score against Fischer!!! =) Is there someone that has a plus score against Bobby? Thank you.
Aug-26-12
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  TheFocus: <tivrfoa> Several people have plus scores against Bobby.

Check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...

Sep-07-12  tivrfoa: Ty <TheFocus>
Mar-03-13
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  Garech: Amazing miss by Korchnoi; he must have been pissed!

-Garech

Mar-03-13  RookFile: I just played this over - this did have all the earmarks of a crush by white right until the blunder.
Mar-03-13
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  harrylime: Yeah but knowing Korchnoi the blunder is funny lol

And tbh in future games Bobby let him off the hook somewhat IMO.

Mar-04-13  lost in space: 32. Rc1 reminds me very much how I lose my games
Oct-19-13  Mudphudder: Absolutely love the ending in this game. Surprised it's not a GOTD yet....
Oct-19-13  Travis Bickle: <newzild: This game should be used as the definition of "swindle". Playing through the games between these two, I reckon Viktor had Bobby's measure.

I would be interested to hear Viktor's thoughts on Bobby as an opponent.> I heard Victor Korchnoi say that he always felt Fischer was better than him but yet he said he has played strong against many World Champions.

Mar-02-14
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  zydeco: 32.Qc2 and white's much better.

Fischer starts getting in trouble with 19....Bh6, which makes sense if he wants to follow up with .....f4, but he never does. 19....e4 is probably better.

Mar-02-14  BwanaVa: The only GM quality players I can find who have a plus score v. Fischer are Tal (who didn't play him a tournament game after 1962) and Geller. Of course, I am sure you can find lots of players with a 1-0 record against him from his early tournament days.
Mar-03-14
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  zydeco: <BwanaVa> Also Janosevic, who was a kind of journeyman grandmaster with a sharp style. He was +1=2-0 against Fischer (with the win in 1967).
Jun-14-16  ewan14: Did Korchnoi get into time trouble in his games
around 1971 ?
Jan-12-17  clement41: 32 Rc1? is flawed due to this cute counter-blow: 32...Qa7!

I love this tactic, whereby a seemingly lost piece is exploited to the full and enables a strong, usually agressive, counter-threat that saves this piece. This happens more often in practice than one'd think (I maintain a database of cute tactics that I come across, and have at least a dozen of this type) . The most famous one perhaps is Tal vs Hecht, 1962 24 ?


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It is slightly different from the game tactics in that the moving piece is not unpinning a pinned piece, though. But we can see clearly the same desperado fashion, and the fact that the apparently lost piece is used in a zwichenzug to attack an undefended enemy piece.

In the same fashion, here is another one (white to play of couse):


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Oct-08-19  seneca16: Does anyone have a plus score against Fischer? The commenter who says lots of people do supplied only a broken link to a list of people who have beaten Fischer. I doubt anyone does, though lots of Soviet players did when he was still a teenager. Maybe Geller still does.
Oct-08-19
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  plang: <Maybe Geller still does.>

Yes, and unlikely to change anytime soon.

Oct-08-19
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  beatgiant: <seneca16>
Here is an updated wikipedia link with his head-to-head scores against various top rivals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby...

Geller and Tal are the only ones listed with plus scores against him. Of course there are also people like Cesar Munoz who beat Fischer the one time they faced him.

Oct-08-19
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  harrylime: The Ruskies OWNED Chess back then ..

Fischer's trail blazing career should be measured against this ...

He beat the RUSKIES when they were ALL ganging up against him .

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