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Samuel Reshevsky vs Robert James Fischer
Second Piatigorsky Cup (1966), Santa Monica, CA USA, rd 1, Jul-17
King's Indian Defense: Orthodox Variation. Gligoric-Taimanov System (E92)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Samuel Reshevsky vs Robert James Fischer (1966)


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Jan-31-13  andrewjsacks: <AylerKupp> Ha! My old friend!
Jan-31-13  andrewjsacks: Just for the record, the wall boys at the first Cup were Robert Bliss, Michael Carr, Martin Cooper, Stephen Englund, Ted Jester, Randy Kluz, Tom Lux, Ken Pfeiffer, Steven Rains, Donn Rogosin, Andy Sacks, and Mike Sheehan, all young chess players, and most affiliated with Mrs. Piatigorsky's Student Chess Club of Los Angeles. Perhaps someone can run down and post a list of the wall boys in the second Cup.
Jan-31-13
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  keypusher: <Aylerkupp> <andrewsjacks> Thanks, fascinating. Also, what beautiful pieces! The ones they use nowadays are so ugly by comparison.
Jan-31-13
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  AylerKupp: <andrewjsacks> No, I don't have a list, and it's not in the tournament book. Why they decided to include pictures of the players instead of pictures of us I'll never know. And in the tournament book pictures the faces of the players kept hiding our faces! :-)

I only remember the following: you, me, Bob Bliss, Steve Grunfeld (in the picture with Spassky in the tournament book), Bob Engler (?), Peter Rhee (doubtful). There were at least 6 of us, possibly 8. Maybe some of the ones I forgot (I'm sorry guys, that was a long time ago!) will see this and identify themselves. There is a picture of someone behind Fischer that I thought might be me but he has glasses in the picture and I didn't have glasses at that time so it couldn't be me. And no pictures of you either. Too bad that at the time we didn't think of taking a group picture.

And Bob Bliss got 3 pictures in the tournament book; besides the one of him behind Reshevsky there is one of him behind Ivkov and one behind Larsen. Not fair, not fair at all.

Jan-31-13
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  AylerKupp: <keypusher> Well, as luck would have it, as I was trying to find the list of our group, I found the following link describing the history of the pieces: http://www.joshmentzer.com/chess/. It turns out that they were designed by Herman Steiner himself!
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  keypusher: <AylerKupp: <keypusher> Well, as luck would have it, as I was trying to find the list of our group, I found the following link describing the history of the pieces: http://www.joshmentzer.com/chess/. It turns out that they were designed by Herman Steiner himself!>

Nice!

Jan-31-13  andrewjsacks: <AylerKupp> Eddy, you are correct that there is a list of the wall boys in the book of the tournament for the first Cup but unfortunately not for the second one. You guys deserved that "glory" that we received in print.
Jan-31-13  andrewjsacks: <AylerKupp> I think you were referring to Steve Gruen, not Grunfeld.
Jan-31-13
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  AylerKupp: <andrewjsacks> Yes, of course. I think that he used to play the Gruenfeld on occasion, hence my confusion.
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  HeMateMe: If Bill Wall had had that job, he would have been a Bill Wall Wall Boy. If the tournament had been in the Pacific Northwest, he could have been a Walla-Walla Bill Wall Wall boy!

I think that would look pretty spiffy, on a resume, mind you.

Feb-01-13  andrewjsacks: <HeMateMe> You have the spirit of Odd Lie!
Feb-01-13
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  HeMateMe: Well, as you can see, I'm a college graduate!
Feb-01-13  Shams: <HeMateMe> Hey, I don't see a mortarboard.
Feb-01-13
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  HeMateMe: best scene in animal house--upon inspection of Delta House transcripts, it is found that "D-day" doesn't *have* a GPA. He appears to be about 25 years old.
Feb-01-13
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  AylerKupp: <HeMateMe> I think that after a comment like that your avatar is justified. Great!!
Feb-01-13
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  perfidious: Ah, what an innocent kibitz has spawned.....
Feb-01-13
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  harrylime: No kibitz's on the actual moves here I see lol

It's Fischer so lets just waffle ...

Feb-01-13  RookFile: I think Reshevsky might have had a chance to get a serious advantage in this game, but missed his chance. You don't usually see a king's indian bishop moved to a3, that's for sure. What he should have done, though, I cannot say, it doesn't seem to be easy.
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  perfidious: <RookFile> You must be mad, making a comment which is actually germane to the game-an obvious violation of the rules.

Hard to tell where Reshevsky might have improved, if it is indeed possible to gain anything like serious winning chances in these exchange lines of the Classical.

Then there's the iron technique of a brilliant endgame specialist, as exemplified in Ulf Andersson vs G Sigurjonsson, 1979.

Feb-01-13  RookFile: Yep. This is a good time to say that I appreciate the strength of these guys. The play is over my head, that's for sure. Something tells me that there's something wrong with black's position, but we might need somebody with a big league computer to find the path to white's advantage in this game.
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  harrylime: < RookFile: Yep. This is a good time to say that I appreciate the strength of these guys. The play is over my head, that's for sure. Something tells me that there's something wrong with black's position, but we might need somebody with a big league computer to find the path to white's advantage in this game. >

Something tells me Fischer got equality pretty early on in the game and it was pretty drawish with him pushing after that ..

An encounter of the two best chess players in the Americas in the 20th C

Feb-01-13  unferth: <harrylime: An encounter of the two best chess players in the Americas in the 20th C>

I think you'd have to put Capa ahead of Reshevsky there, at a minimum.

Feb-02-13  RookFile: I agree that you have to give Fischer and Capa the nod over Reshevsky. Was just thinking about something like a Pillsbury vs. Reshevsky match. Who would win? My guess is that Reshevsky would win narrowly, by virtue of the fact he was a terrific match player.

Of course, Reshevsky's great rival in his prime was Reuben Fine. Games between them tended to be all out wars. A match between them at some point probably would have spiked US interest in chess even before Fischer showed up. I have no idea who wins in a Reshevsky vs. Fine match.

Feb-02-13  beatgiant: <RookFile>
<Something tells me that there's something wrong with black's position>

It looks like a pretty dead draw after 30. bxc4, so I looked at <30. Rxc4>. But then after 30. Rxc4 Rd8 31. Ke1 Rbd7, if White ever plays Bc5 to go after the b-pawn, Black always has ...Rd2 with good counterplay.

So if Reshevsky wanted to play for a win, he'd probably need to find an improvement before move 30.

Dec-12-14  zydeco: Reshevsky plays circumspectly with 18.b3 ("waiting for black to show his hand") while Fischer jumps on the first opportunity to seize the initiative with 18....Rb7.

Reshevsky says that he was too anxious to simplify with 26.Nf5 and 29.Bc4 when he should have been looking instead to push his central pawns forward. Reshevsky thinks he had an advantage with, say, 29.g3 and 30.f4, ignoring black's queenside demonstration.

It's rare to see passed pawns get behind each other like this.

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