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|Dec-06-04|| ||GKing: <beatgiant>
1-Nice! You find a solid line to finish the game!
2-Can you finish it more quickly? I think you can: after 30 b1 show me how ( a tip : 30...g4 was my erlier suggestion...)
|Dec-13-04|| ||tacticsjokerxxx: this opening is called the staunton system. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||drukenknight: okay so what is the losing move? |
|Dec-13-04|| ||beatgiant: It takes a lot of work to find out exactly where the losing move is. But I think it's clear that 16. d2 was not good. The bishop only gets in the way here.|
If White had played 16. a3 instead, and play continued as in the game, it would allow <chessdr>'s suggested defense with 25. f1 because now the bishop is not blocking the escape route for the king.
|Dec-13-04|| ||drukenknight: I think the losing move has something to do with playing bxc6 at the right moment. |
|Dec-13-04|| ||euripides: Botvinnik used basically this system to win a very fine and famous game against Reshevsky at AVRO in 1938. Fischer had probably looked long and hard at that game, given his stake in the USSR-USA rivalry and the fact that they were both players he aimed to surpass in his youth. So there may be a decade or more of thought behind Fischer's treatment here. Instead of Reshevsky's Ne7 and exd4, when White gets a space advantage and dynamic chances on the queenside, Fischer plays Nf6 and then the direct and effective e4. When I was twelve, I used to try to play systems like this as White, but this sort of game shows how tricky they can be. |
|Dec-17-04|| ||GKing: <euripides>
You are absolutely right!
The AVRO game you reffer can be found here and it is a classic one.See Botvinnik vs Reshevsky, 1938.
I´m agree with your analysis.Fischer´s proposes with f6 and e4 proves to be fair away better then Reshevsky´s e7 and exd4.
You can compare theese two games and feel the diference.
I don´t think Nikolic had done one losing move. The way he try to execute the plan to attack the queenside (slowly, not dynamic like Botvinnik´s game)didn´t considered how dangerous were the black´s kingside counterplay.These judgement´s mistake drives Nikolic to defeat.
|Dec-17-04|| ||IMlday: This game got several nominations in my 'Best Games of the 20th Century'poll. Quite the long combination! |
|Dec-18-04|| ||Everett: I think white may wish to play the Botvinnik system against the KID set-up here, with 5.e4 instead of 5.e3. Of course, 5.e3 is not a losing move, but by this time ('68) people should know that Fischer playing a KI with an advanced e-pawn is begging to be schooled. |
|Jul-31-05|| ||aw1988: Positional yet dynamic opening. Fischer wins just because he's Fischer.|
|Sep-19-06|| ||Fast Gun: One of Fischer's lesser known games, it is suprising that no has kibitzed this game for more than a year!! I have read some of the earlier comments
now it's my turn: The Bishop sacrifice
is enterprising but unsound, with the correct defence it would not have worked, if we assume that white under pressure and in time trouble then it is evident that white went wrong especially when facing Fischer: However, for the defence Nikolic went wrong on move 25 with f5?? he should have first of all captured on c6 the play the queen to f1, for example
25. bxc bxc
26. Qf1 Rh8
27. Rxh8 Rxh8
The white queen defends the entry sqaure h3 and so far as I can see, I do not see how even a Fischer could have broken through here, however I am open to any ideas from other Kibizers: By the way a bit of useless trivia, at the time of posting, this game was played 38 years ago this week and The Beatles Hey Jude was at number one in the UK singles chart!!
|Jun-17-08|| ||Confuse: Now I know hardly anyone cares... but this game was featured in a japanese anime! Code Geass, if you are a true chess fan, you'll check it out, its in the first episode : )|
|Jan-03-09|| ||UnsoundHero: Fast Gun wrote:
"The Bishop sacrifice
is enterprising but unsound, with the correct defence it would not have worked, if we assume that white under pressure and in time trouble then it is evident that white went wrong especially when facing Fischer: However, for the defence Nikolic went wrong on move 25 with f5?? he should have first of all captured on c6 the play the queen to f1, for example 25. bxc bxc
26. Qf1 Rh8
27. Rxh8 Rxh8
The white queen defends the entry sqaure h3 and so far as I can see, I do not see how even a Fischer could have broken through here."
The sacrifice 19...Bg4 is perfectly sound. It increases black's advantage, perhaps even forces a win. White's king is in a "crimp", in a small, enclosed space. It's a sitting duck. White's fixed pawn on f2 actually prevents him from transferring some of his pieces over to help guard his king.
After 25 bxc6 bxc6 26 Qf1 Rh8 27 Rxh8 Rxh8 28 Nd1 Rh5 29 Ne3 Qc8 30 f5 Qh8, white is hard pressed to avoid ...Rh1 mate.
This is one of the finest games I've ever seen. I'm surprised even Fischer didn't include this game in his 60 Memorables. It's a model strategy carried out to perfection.
|Jan-03-09|| ||sfm: <25. bxc bxc 26. Qf1 Rh8
27. Rxh8 Rxh8
The white queen defends the entry sqaure h3 and so far as I can see, I do not see how even a Fischer could have broken through here.>
Black threatens Qg4 - Qh5 - Q mates.
I can't find a usable defense. Anyone?
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Wow, what a move 19.-,Bg4!! So deep. What an incredible positional insight.
|Mar-12-09|| ||ajk68: To fastgun's comment:
I think the essential point is that white does not control h1. After a rook exchange on the h-file, black will take control of it with the other rook. The white king cannot get out of the corner and mate will be delivered on h1 with the queen. Black does not need to go to h3; h5 works too (and black has enough time to maneuver).
|Aug-11-09|| ||technical draw: This is another one of those games where Fischer's opponent thinks he winning. At move 23 it looks like white is safe and is a piece up. But 8 moves later white resigns. Fischer was definitely a chess playing machine.|
|Aug-11-09|| ||parisattack: It must have been awful to play Fischer in those years! Knowing that any piece you touched, any move you made - it was wrong and you were going to go down in flames; usually quickly.|
|Aug-12-09|| ||ToTheDeath: Yes this is a great lesser known Fischer game. Fischer had tremendous timing- he knew how to for the throat while keeping his opponent one tempo short of his own goals.|
|Aug-12-09|| ||HeMateMe: Its a great, sublte sac by the Fish. I think an interesting forum, or a chess book to be written would be a collection of games by GMs where the piece sacrifice did not work, and the game was lost, as a result.|
thunder blunders, taken to the cleaners, Greed is Good, More sacrificial lambs.
|Aug-12-09|| ||Peter Nemenyi: <UnsoundHero: I'm surprised even Fischer didn't include this game in his 60 Memorables.>|
MSMG only includes games played through 1967--which is to say it doesn't cover the most brilliant phase of Fischer's career at all, great book though it is.
|Aug-12-09|| ||Granny O Doul: <This is one of the finest games I've ever seen. I'm surprised even Fischer didn't include this game in his 60 Memorables> Played too late; there is nothing there from after 1967.|
|Sep-11-09|| ||parisattack: <Granny O Doul: <This is one of the finest games I've ever seen. I'm surprised even Fischer didn't include this game in his 60 Memorables> >|
Amazing how everything 'just fits' for Fischer here! Is the sac truly sound? does anyone know of a deep analysis of this game or is it Fritzed somewhere?
|Sep-11-09|| ||Notagm: Fischer's 60 Memorable Games only includes games up to 1967, whereas this game was played in 1968.|
|Nov-07-09|| ||vanytchouck: Another interesting thing about the sacrifice Bg4 is that althought it seems now that this move is totally sound, no computer is able to find it out.|
Maybe one of the seldom last tactical puzzles that engines still cannot match.
One can notice that this position is typically what computers dislike :
A closed position with every pieces on the chess board.
|May-13-12|| ||Zugzwangovich: In "Bobby Fischer's Outrageous Chess Moves", Bruce Pandolfini exclams 31...Kg6 so that Fischer's "rook can occupy the h-file". But unless I'm missing something the a8 rook has nought to do with the equation. The reason 31...Kg6 wins is that it blows away 32.Nxg4+, White's only defense to 31...Ng4. Therefore 31...Kh5 and 31...Kh7 would have been just as good as 31...Kg6. But not 31...Kg7 because of 32.Nf5+.|
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