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|Jan-26-15|| ||disasterion: <Conrad93: White is still better after 51. Kd5. I don't get how this is a dead draw.>|
In the final position it's a clear draw: white can't dislodge the knight from e7, so the pawn can't queen without being taken.
Obviously it's not a draw after 51.Kd5, but that can't be what you meant. I suspect 51.Re2, as played, is just as good for white, but Fischer's defence thereafter is outstanding.
|Jan-26-15|| ||disasterion: *51.Ra2, as played. But you get the point.|
|May-08-15|| ||keypusher: <Poisonpawns: There are many stories of Fischer giving odds to IM and GM players.One story that is true that I know of is that Fischer used to allow FM Asa Hoffman to start out with his pawns already on e4 and d4 plus have the first move,and <he never defeated bobby in a blitz game>.Even when he analysed at home and came up with a forced sequence to get an obvious winning position boBBy defended and would win on time.If you live in NYC you can ask Asa yourself at the Marshall chess club.Those old chess guys are cool to talk to about the old days,many many stories especially in NYC.>|
The highlighted portion, at least, is not true.
A Hoffmann vs Fischer, 1963
|Jun-26-15|| ||jerseybob: Keypusher: <The highlighted portion, at least, is not true. >
Right. If I recall from Asa's book, which he sold me in person at the Manhattan CC back in '99, Fischer used to give huge time odds, but not what Poisonpawns describes.|
|Mar-04-16|| ||peterh99: Where did Fischer first go wrong?|
|Sep-03-16|| ||zanzibar: Browne discusses this game here:
(Starts about 8:50 in...)
He states the game was adjourned four times.
|May-19-18|| ||mel gibson: That was too hard for me.
Stockfish 9 says:
(88. .. Nd7
(♘c5-d7 ♔b5-c6 h2-h1♕ ♗d5xh1 ♘d7-e5+ ♔c6-b6
♘e5-c4+ ♔b6-b5 ♘c4-e5 ♖f7-g7 ♗d6xc7 ♔b5-c5 ♘e5-d7+ ♔c5-c6 ♘d7-b8+ ♔c6-d5
♔c8-b7 ♔d5-c5+ ♔b7-c8 ♗h1-f3 ♘b8-d7+ ♔c5-d5 ♔c8-d8 ♗f3-g4 ♘d7-b8 ♖g7-f7
♘b8-a6 ♗g4-e2 ♘a6-b8 ♗e2-b5 ♔d8-c8 ♖f7-h7 ♔c8-d8 ♖h7-g7 ♗c7-a5 ♖g7-f7
♗a5-b4 ♖f7-b7 ♔d8-c8 ♖b7-g7 ♗b4-c3 ♖g7-a7 ♔c8-d8 ♖a7-b7 ♔d8-c8 ♖b7-f7
♔c8-d8 ♖f7-a7 ♔d8-c8 ♗b5-e2 ♗c3-d2 ♗e2-g4+ ♔c8-d8 ♖a7-f7 ♘b8-a6 ♔d5-c6
♔d8-e8 ♗g4-h5 ♘a6-b4+ ♔c6-d6) -0.74/50 190)
score for Black -0.74 depth 50
|May-19-18|| ||Jimfromprovidence: An amazing puzzle because of black's ability to survive with a draw. As an example, white can try 90 Rxd7 below, with the threat of 91 Rd8#|
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But black can draw after 90...Qc1+ 91 Kxd6 (only saving move) 91...Qc6+!
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|May-19-18|| ||Granny O Doul: <Jimfromprovidence> 90...Qxd5+ there also draws rather comfortably.|
|May-19-18|| ||siggemannen: What happens after 89. ♗e6? If black promotes white wins the queen by 89...h1=♕ 90. ♗xd7+ ♔c7 91. ♗c6+|
|May-19-18|| ||Granny O Doul: <siggemannen> On 89. Be6, I guess it's ...Be7 so that on 91. Rxe7 h1=Q
92. Bd7+ Kxc7 93. Bc6+ Kd6 94. Rd7+ Ke6 saves.|
|May-19-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Unno, but after 88... Nd7 it's actually mate-in-55.|
|May-19-18|| ||takchess: As my wife and daughter get ready to watch the Royal Wedding , it gives me time to look at this. Woohoo! My first move is correct. A little victory.|
|May-19-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: A critical position:
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White now captures the Knight in 9 moves. So from 88... Nd7 it takes 36 (!) forced moves to capture the Knight. Most fascinating.
|May-19-18|| ||Marmot PFL: 30+ years ago when I met Browne he said he was totally winning this game but messed it up (not his exact phrase). Now finally playing it over I see what he meant.|
|May-19-18|| ||njchess: Got this. Upon seeing the complete game, I remembered I had seen it before; a hard fought contest to be sure.|
|May-19-18|| ||chrisowen: Vatus keythen keyon keyas keyins nd7in diligent keyon links kc6in coffins keyin harangue hoodhints 89.Rh7 keyin aceus fluid harangue keens 3 it was
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|May-19-18|| ||agb2002: Black has a knight for a rook.
White threatens Kc6 and Rg7.
This threat suggests 88... Nd7:
A) 89.Kc6 Ne5+
A.1) 90.Kxd6 Nxf7+
A.1.a) 91.Bxf7 h1=Q 92.Be6+ Kb7 93.c8=Q+ (93.Bd5+ Qxd5+ 94.Kxd5 Kxc7 =) 93... Kb6 looks drawing in spite of being a bishop down.
A.1.b) 91.Kc6 Ne5+ 92.Kb6 Nd7+, etc.
A.2) 90.Kb6 Nd7+ 91.Rxd7 (91.Kc6 Ne5+ repeats moves) 91... Kxd7 92.Be6+ Ke7 (92... Kxe6 93.c8=Q+) 93.c8=Q (93.Bd5 Bxc7+ =) 93... h1=Q 94.Qd7+ Kf6 95.Qxd6 Qg1+ followed by Qe3 is probably draw.
B) 89.Be6 Be7
B.1) 90.Rxe7 h1=Q
B.1.a) 91.Rxd7 Qb7+ 92.Kc5 Qxc7+ =.
B.1.b) 91.Bxd7+ Kxc7 92.Bc6+ Kd6 93.Rd7+ Ke6 94.Bxh8 Kxd7 =.
B.2) 90.Bxd7+ Kxd7 91.Rh7 h1=Q (91... Kxc7 92.Rxe7+ and 93.Rh7 + -) 92.Rxh1 Kxc7 =.
C) 89.Bc6 Ne5 90.Rh7 Bxc7 =.
|May-19-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: PS 88. c7 Nd7 89. Rh7 Kxc7 (forced) and now Lomonosov 7 says mate-in-54|
|May-19-18|| ||siggemannen: <Granny O Doul>, wow, thanks, Be7 is really clever. Amazing save by Fischer|
|May-19-18|| ||Jack Kerouac: Walter Browne once said,' Fischer is the God of chess, but I am the Devil!'
True or false?|
|May-19-18|| ||NBZ: Fantastic save from Fischer. In the Be6 line, Be7!! is a fantastic idea, didn't see it at all.|
I thought the solution was 88. ... h1=Q 89. Bxh1 Ne6 but after 90. Bc6! Nxc7 91. Kb6 Kb8 92. Rd7 wins.
|May-19-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: <Jack>
Considered that this game goes beyond human logic, I would not be surprized ;)
|May-20-18|| ||JJpro: hello|
|May-20-18|| ||JJpro: The Be7 is a good move|
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