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| johnlspouge: In case anyone is interested in the position resulting from 88...Bxc7 89.Kxc5 (unlikely) or in Nalimov endgame tables (much more likely ;>), the free web page http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=...
indicates the position is a loss for Black in at most 16 moves. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| LivBlockade: I saw 88...Nd7, but thought it was safer to play the direct 88...h1=Q; 89. Bxh1 Ne6 when Black can take the c-pawn with check. Can White win in this line? |
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Jan-27-08
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| wals: What instinctive choice will activate my intuition and experience?
Nothing comes to mind. What at first glance I thought was a Rook on h2
is a pawn. O>K try and calculate
88.....Nd7 89.Bc6...Ne5 forking c6 and f7
That's my best shot
PM =
A correct move ! Drinks all round bartender. |
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Jan-27-08
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| wals: Walter Shawn Browne - Robert James Fischer, Rovinj/Zagreb Rd: 15 1970
 click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 11: depth 24/42 time 3min 30
1. (2.45): 88...Nc5-d7 89.Rf7-h7 Kc8xc7 90.Bd5-c6 h2-h1Q 91.Bc6xh1 Kc7-d8 92.Kb5-c6 Bd6-e7 93.Bh1-g2 Nd7-e5+ 94.Kc6-d5 Ne5-d7 95.Rh7-h8+ Kd8-c7 96.Rh8-h6 Be7-g5 97.Rh6-h7 Kc7-d8 98.Kd5-d6 Bg5-f4+ 99.Kd6-c6 Nd7-f6 100.Rh7-f7 Bf4-e5 101.Bg2-h3 Nf6-e4 102.Bh3-f5 Ne4-d6 103.Rf7-d7+
2. (6.56): 88...Bd6xc7 89.Kb5xc5 Kc8-d8 90.Bd5-h1 Bc7-g3 91.Kc5-d5 Bg3-h4 92.Kd5-e6 Kd8-c8 93.Rf7-h7 Bh4-g3 94.Rh7-h3 Bg3-e1 95.Rh3xh2 Kc8-c7 96.Rh2-e2 Be1-b4 97.Re2-b2 Bb4-a5 98.Rb2-b7+ Kc7-d8 99.Rb7-h7 Kd8-c8 100.Bh1-b7+ Kc8-b8 101.Bb7-e4 Ba5-c3 102.Rh7-d7 Kb8-c8 103.Be4-b7+ (, 28.01.2008)
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Jan-27-08
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| dzechiel: <scholes: How many of u use boards , i thought instead of banging my head for half an hour for zero results it was better to use board.> I set the position up on a chessboard about once every two weeks if I'm finding the position difficult to work out complications. For instance, I set it up for yesterday's position, but not for today's. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| xrt999: < FSR: Wade and O'Connell say, based on Fischer's analysis, that Browne missed a win earlier with 88.Rh7 > You probably know that there is a law of physics which states that all of Fischer's wins were brilliancies, all of his losses were near wins, and all of his opponents that drew had winning opportunities. Kind of like 'All matter is neither created nor destroyed, it only changes form', but in chess. To me, I see a 21 year old named Brown push Fischer to the limits with a 98 move draw. Those who lay claim to the greatest player who ever lived never banty this game about. This is not a concidence. |
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Jan-27-08
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| johnlspouge: I checked the Nalimov tables
http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=...
again. Much to my surprise after light sampling of random initial positions, it appears that in general, R+B vs. B+N is draw if the Bs are the same color, but a win if the Bs are opposite color. |
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Jan-27-08
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| johnlspouge: <xrt999>, in his autobiography, "The Enigmas of Chance", the mathematician Mark Kac stated that the reputation of the physicist Marian von Smoluchowski suffered from "the Matthew effect". The Matthew effect refers to the Bible, Matthew 13:12, to wit: "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Who, you ask, is this von Smoluchowski Kac refers to? He was an absolutely brilliant physicist who lived at the beginning of 20th century, but unfortunately, everything he found interesting, Albert Einstein also worked on. Presumably, you are complaining of a caissaic Matthew effect, this time in Fischer's favor. |
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Jan-27-08
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| just a kid: I think it is Nd7.It blocks the rook from protecting the c7 pawn, and it prevents Be6+ promoting the c7 pawn.I will not go into deep analysis,but a am pretty sure it draws.Time to check. |
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Jan-27-08
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| just a kid: <from my last post>If the sentence ,but a am pretty sure it draws., doesn't any sense to you I ment I instead of a.Yes! A perfect 7 for 7! |
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Jan-27-08
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| patzer2: <I see a 21 year old named Brown push Fischer to the limits with a 98 move draw. Those who lay claim to the greatest player who ever lived never banty this game about. This is not a concidence.> Walter Browne was no slouch, winning six U.S. championships. Great players sometimes draw. Here he overcame a mistake with 28...f4?, recovered and found a fantastic draw in an extremely deep endgame position. Look at the possibility 89. Be6 Bd7! for example in Rybka's analysis. I don't know if Fischer is the greatest player ever, but I do know no one who faced him match play was able to prove otherwise. I also know that each of the World Champions previous to him had been beaten in succession by the previous champion, meaning Spassky beat Petrosian (also Tal), who beat Botvinnik, Who beat Tal, Smyslov and Euwe, who beat Alekhine, who beat Capablanca, who beat Lasker. In short, when Fischer arrived on the scene he was clearly the strongest champion ever. Could he have beaten Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Topalov or Anand in his prime? I don't know. However, I do know that no one before or since Fischer has dominated the game more in their rise to the World Championship than did Fischer from 1970 to 1972. See http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/707... for this incredible performance record, including two six wins to nothing victories against Taimanov and Larsen in semifinal and quarterfinal candidates matches and a 5 wins to 1 against Petrosian in nine games of the candidates final. No one before or since has so dominated leading up to a Championship match. Spassky did well to keep it as close as he could in 1972. P.S. I also know the current professional GMs owe much to Fischer's legacy and accomplishments, especially in improving prizes and playing conditions, and they almost unanimously acknowledge it. |
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Jan-27-08
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| johnlspouge: <patzer2>, I had forgotten that Fischer and Taimanov played their 1971 Candidates match in Vancouver, Canada. I lived in Vancouver in 1971, but I did not play any tournament chess back then, so thanks for the reminder of what must have sparked my interest in the game. The result tables for the championship matches are visually striking evidence of Fischer's prowess relative to his competition. I believe you make your point. (By the way, your link works this time ;>) |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| Tomlinsky: Not to mention directly on the back of this run his phenomenal performance at Herzeg Novi... http://www.bobby-fischer.net/bobby_... |
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Jan-27-08
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| patzer2: <johlspouge> Those Fischer years (1970-1972) were also my inspiration to take up the game as a serious hobby. <Tomlinsky> great web site reference! I'd forgotten what an even more dominating player Fischer was at blitz. I wonder if Kasparov's reluctance to play Blitz might have anything to do with trying to avoid any comparison to Fischer in regard to this quick thinking chess skill? |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| rookending: Checking the Nalimov tables noted by <johnlspouge>, it turns out Black loses in 52 moves after 88...Nc5-d7 89.Rf7-h7 Kc8xc7 90.Bd5-c6 h2-h1Q 91.Bc6xh1 Is there any improvement after 89. Rf7-h7 or is it a win for White? |
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Jan-27-08
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| patzer2: <rookending> Thanks for sharing that the main alternative to Fischer's move probably loses. Makes 88...Nd7 all the more incredible as a drawing line, as verified by <RV>'s deep Rybka analysis. P.S. Earlier I meant to indicate 89. Be6 Be7! was a surprising drawing line. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| rookending: <patzer2> I believe Black loses after 88. ... Nd7 89 Rh7. <RV>'s Rybka analysis incorrectly suggests a draw; <wals> deeper Fritz analysis suggesting White win is correct and consistent with Nalimov tables. |
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| Jan-28-08 |
| GufeldStudent: My policy is to keep banging my head until I get it. If it takes a full day of looking at it on or off, so be it. |
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| Jan-28-08 |
| RookFile: Every now and then, Kasparov talks about how modern chess features terrific defense. This game is such an example. |
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| Jan-28-08 |
| stanleys: Let me say something about the opening - some people have discussed it earlier,but I am not sure that their evaluation is correct. Fisher plays a typical positional plan of this line of Alekhine's defence: 1) <fixing a weakness> 11...d5 2)<removing a defender> 13...Bxf3 3)<replacing a knight to an excellent position Nb6-c8-e7-f5> In his book "Alekhine's defence",Bagirov comments that 13.h3 is inaccurate (since black plans to take on f3 it is a loss of time - 13.b4 is better) and 16.Nb5 is a mistake - but he stops the line after 16...Nf5,saying "Black is better" In fact when you take a look at the position after 18...axb5 ,you see that white has pawn weaknesses (d4 and a2)and his bishop pair has not clear prospects,since the position is closed.On the other hand,black's pieces are extremely well placed to attack these weak pawns.His only problem is the b5-pawn So Fisher had an advantage and he went wrong afterwards.But where? I thought first about 19...b4,but white has to play indeed 20.a4 (if not 20...Ra3 is paralysing)sacrifying a pawn,but getting some counterplay by pushing his b-pawn. Then I looked at 20...Qh4 (instead of 20...f5?!) and it seemed very promising to me (well I am analyzing without a program and this should be checked)The d4-pawn is attacked.If white plays 21.Rfd1,we double the rooks on the a-file 21...Rfa8.If now 22.Bb3,we could take many times on d4 and answer Rxd4 with ...Rxb3 getting a won ending.And if 22.Bb1 white's pieces are bad placed and we have the possibility to play ...R8a4 at a given moment,winning the b4-pawn Anyone could check all this? |
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Jan-28-08
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| kevin86: A funny twopenny trap would hit black if he was careless enough to take the rook immediately on move 91... xf7?? 92 b7+ and queens the pawn. Fischer threw in a little intermezzo to force the draw. |
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| Jan-28-08 |
| xrt999: per CG profile <Browne was honored in 2003 with his induction to the United States Chess Hall of Fame, and still competes with success in top-level American tournaments.> After the last 10 days, its refreshing to see great players who truly love the game still involved. (almost 40 years after the above game was played) At the time this game was played in April of 1970, Browne is listed as an IM in the chessmaster database. CG says he acheived GM status in 1970, so it must have been later in the year after this game was played. So, the 21 year old IM from Australia draws Fischer in 100 moves in 1970. Thanks CG for displaying this game. |
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| May-09-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: Yes, Browne had 2 forced wins that he missed (moves 88 and 89).
<rookending> is correct, 89.Rh7! Kxc7 90.Bc6! h1=Q 91.Bxh1 is mate-in-52. Also, <RandomVisitor> and <wals> just about had it right! |
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| Jul-13-08 |
| stanleys: <CharlesSullivan>
Do you call this a "forced win" ??? |
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| Sep-02-09 |
| TheFocus: Does anyone know whether Browne ever annotated this game and what publication it was in? |
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