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|Feb-03-12|| ||AlphaMale: Larsen from a 1990 interview with Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam:|
<After Game 2 I knew the match was lost. I should have won Game 2. Ask Piket's father. He's the one who pointed that out really. There was some really bad analysis going around, but Piket's father pointed out exactly how I should have won.>
I'd never seen reference elsewhere to this analysis of Joop Piket but with the power of the Holy Google, I think I've found it:
<28.Re3! Rg8 29.Bxf5+ Kh6 30.Bh3! Rg7 31.b5! axb5 32.cxb5 Bd5 33.Rh4+ Kg5 34.Rd4! Be6 35.Bxe6 fxe6 36.Rxe6>
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So White has won a pawn and has two connected passers.....but is that enough to win? Assuming this is what he was referring to, did Larsen really believe to his dying day that this was a clearly winning position against Fischer? And it's not as if the main line is definitely best. Fritz considers 30...d5 the best way to gain active counterplay.
BTW, the book source is a curious title, <My 160 Memorable Games>, of unknown provenance.
|Feb-03-12|| ||harrylime: < Alfie> You're posting garbage again ! lol |
Just 28.. e6 and black's cool ..
|Feb-04-12|| ||AlphaMale: < harrylime: < Alfie> You're posting garbage again ! lol|
Just 28.. e6 and black's cool ..>
That allows mate in 3. lol
P.S. Please stop following me around.
|Sep-01-12|| ||Paraconti: The problem with Fischer's opponents was they were facing a man who played as if it was the last thing he was going to do on earth.|
|Sep-01-12|| ||harrylime: ^^
Very true. A pre silicon monster.
Hey whatever happened to <AlphaMale> ? Is he/she operating under another name on this site ?! Or did the jungle become just too hot ? lol
|Sep-01-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Not sure, but I believe alphamale was one of the later names of a guy who posted under several names, and was kicked off for continual racist statements.|
|Sep-01-12|| ||harrylime: <Jim> Well if that's true a sad end... |
The 'King of the Jungle' is as libertarian an agent on this planet as you can find. And it's <AlphaMale> is as racially blind as you can find too...
It will eat anything.
|Oct-07-12|| ||Everett: < notyetagm: <notyetagm: What a tremendous game by Fischer this is.>
|Oct-07-12|| ||Everett: <After Game 2 I knew the match was lost. I should have won Game 2. Ask Piket's father. He's the one who pointed that out really. There was some really bad analysis going around, but Piket's father pointed out exactly how I should have won.>|
If Larsen couldn't even remember the analysis of his supposed win after the match, how can one think that he would ever discover it during the pressure of a game?
The funny thing is, when I first saw this game, everyone praised Fischer's placement of his Q in the center of the board, and this is the first time I see that 28.Re3 Larsen would have had a strong advantage. The reason why this is notable is largely because it is another myth perpetuated by the chess story-makers.
Another thing, this may be the latest in a Fischer game vs either Larsen or Taimanov during his fantastic run when he was worse.
|Apr-22-13|| ||FSR: This is a Sicilian, Accelerated Dragon, Maroczy Bind by transposition, not a Symmetrical English.|
|Aug-01-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: FSR is right, a Maroczy Bind if I ever saw one!|
|Aug-01-14|| ||FSR: From after White's 5th move through White's 14th move, play is identical, move for move, with Nunn vs P Van der Sterren, 1974 and Nunn vs Igor Ivanov, 1987, both of which reached the Maroczy Bind through the "normal" Accelerated Dragon move order.|
|Dec-06-15|| ||perfidious: <Everett: < notyetagm: <notyetagm: What a tremendous game by Fischer this is.> Indeed.> |
The shock here is that <neverwillbeagoodplayer> did not shout after every move in typically overwrought fashion.
Or did he?
|Mar-28-17|| ||Dave12: 17..Qe5. Fischer violates one of the very basic principles of chess and puts his queen in a middle board danger. Like saying, Mr Larsen, do your work and don't relly on intuition.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||RookFile: I knows that Fischer won, but if I was shown the position after white's 17th move I would say that white had a crushing advantage. You're right that Fischer saw more deeply into the specifics of the situation.|
|Jun-27-17|| ||Howard: So, did Larsen ever have a won position ?|
|Jun-28-17|| ||4tmac: No. Even Piket line 28. Re3! does not win with the 30...d5! improvement. (in fact, the complete Piket line may not win at all but I'm not sure about that) Well played game. 37. Bc4? may lose, not sure, doesn't matter after 38. Rc1?|
|Jun-29-17|| ||4tmac: 3 comments/questions: (1) all six Taimanov games had a sealed move? (2) no Larsen game, including this one, had a sealed move? (3) the only one LIVE picture from either match (photo from actual game "in progress") was the CL&R cover from Larsen match?|
|Jun-29-17|| ||Retireborn: I think it's true that all six Taimanov games had a sealed move (and the second game had two.) Not sure about the Larsen match.|
|Jun-29-17|| ||Howard: As far as the comment three comments above this one, are you referring to some analysis that Agur did in a late-1987 issue of Chess Life?|
|Jun-29-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Picture of Fischer v Taimanov 1971 (both complaining about the noise).|
It is from this game.
Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971
This position with Fischer to play.
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|Jun-29-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Same picture but with more details.
|Jun-30-17|| ||4tmac: <Retireborn> Taimanov match had 7 adjournments in 6 games! Thems were the days! (although a couple were resigned before resumption) <Howard> 28Re3! was a better try: 28. Re3! Rg8 29. Bxf5+ Kh6 30. Bh3 d5! 30..d5! was better than 30..Rg7 from an interview(?) (don't think Larsen ever had a win) 17..Qe5! Good Game!|
|Jun-30-17|| ||4tmac: Thanks <Sally Simpson> Great picture! Good article and various views of the Norm theater. When you are playing the Taimanov Sicilian, you need to focus!|
|Jul-16-18|| ||Howard: Is it possible that Larsen should NOT have taken the f5 pawn on Move 28? Offhand, one might suspect that just leaving the pawn alone--for the time being--might have made it more difficult for Fischer to activate his rooks.|
Granted, Fischer would be a pawn up, but it'd be a doubled one.
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