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Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian vs Robert James Fischer
"Gruen Pains" (game of the day Oct-15-2010)
Fischer - Petrosian Candidates Final (1971), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 2, Oct-05
Gruenfeld Defense: Brinckmann Attack (D82)  ·  1-0
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Jan-01-16
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  offramp: I think the Soviets had noticed that Fischer liked to play the Gruenfeld on important occasions.

It is a superb opening to play because Black starts to attack without seriously weakening his position (in general I mean, not this game).

Fischer might have preferred it to the King's Indian, but he would not have liked to give away opening novelties.

Jan-02-16  Howard: Maybe Fischer did indeed "tuck away" the Gruenfeld after this disaster, but......he only played about 28 more games in his career after that! So, this doesn't necessarily mean that he'd given up on the opening completely.

I'm not counting the 1992 games, obviously.

Jan-02-16  Howard: Kasparov states in MGP III that Petrosian apparently had a forced win after playing 23.d6, but it would have required ultra-precise play on his part to bring the point home.

So, if he'd played 23.g3 instead, wouldn't the win have probably been simplier. It's hard to believe that it would have been more difficult !

Jan-03-16  RookFile: I think the Gruenfeld is fine. The Russians came armed against it, so after a loss, Fischer switched to something else. It was also a tactic he used against Spassky.
Jan-03-16
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  perfidious: It was clear that when facing Spassky at Reykjavik, Fischer was highly likely to do battle with the Saemisch if he trotted out his favourite King's Indian, a line which had given him some trouble and was long a speciality of the reigning titleholder. Fischer had, of course, lost twice already in the Gruenfeld to Spassky.

Fischer's switching of openings was a necessity: after all, when one examines what became of certain of his beloved variations in 1972, small wonder that he took this course, what with the might of the Soviet theoreticians at his redoubtable opponent's beck and call.

Jan-03-16
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  morfishine: <CG> needs to delete this stupid pun: Fischer was at the peak of his powers and had finished "growing" years before this game was even played
Jan-03-16
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  TheFocus: I agree. A ridiculous pun, not worthy of CeeGee.
Jan-03-16
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  SugarDom: Why not just delete all the Fischer losses, so that the Fischer Fanboys would feel better?

Lol.

Jan-03-16
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  TheFocus: Ah, but that cheats the fans of the players who beat Fischer.

Although, that should only be a handful of players.

Jan-03-16
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  perfidious: <TheFocus: Ah, but that cheats the fans of the players who beat Fischer.>

My dear sir, how dare you deprive <ughhaibu> of his raison d'etre? Tough to name a more virulent anti-Fischer type.

Jun-17-16  cunctatorg: In any case, a real masterpiece, a true gem from Petrosian's part versus RJF at his peak!!

The truth is that even Bobby Fischer at this peak wasn't a God, only the greatest chess hero and you had to play a real masterpiece in order to have any chances to win a game from Fischer!!

Lovely chess here!!

Sep-25-16  N.O.F. NAJDORF: In answer to Jambow: yes, Karpov is an ethnic Russian, but he never played Fischer.
Sep-25-16
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  maxi: At the time the Russians had many excellent players, but Ukranians, Baltic players, Serbs, and guys from other Slavic nations have this love for chess. (And, may I add, for poetry, math and booze.) So they always have had many top players.
Sep-25-16
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  maxi: They also have large Jewish communities, and Jews have an intellectual tradition.
Apr-02-17
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  morfishine: By the time of the Spassky match, Fischer had eschewed both KID & Gruenfeld in response to <1.d4> preferring either <1...d5> or Benoni-type structures to complicate

*****

Apr-02-17
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  zanzibar: <morfishine> RE: Fischer's play against 1.d4

Where did you get the opinion that Fischer was utilizing 1...d5 against 1.d4 ... or just Benonis?

He played two KID's and one Grunfeld against Taimanov, and one QGD and one Grunfeld against Petrosian in the qualifiers.

Maybe you're thinking mostly about Parma del Mallorca, where he played a few Benoni's.

Apr-02-17
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  perfidious: There were four QGDs at Reykjavik, with Fischer Black in only one (ninth game); in that game, he actually responded to 1.d4 with 1....Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5, and only once in the match did he play the Modern Benoni (game 3).
Apr-03-17  RookFile: The first game of the match was actually excellent opening play by Fischer, totally neutralizing one of Spassky's lines against the Nimzo. Of course, all any talks about in that game was Fischer capturing the rook pawn with his bishop.
Apr-03-17  Petrosianic: Well, for several years, Fischer had eschewed the King's Indian when facing players likely to play the Saemisch (of which Spassky was one). The Gruenfeld he avoided against Spassky, partly because he was surely well prepared for it. But I don't think we can assume that if Fischer had kept playing after 1972 that either opening would be gone from his repertoire.
Apr-03-17
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  perfidious: Even in 1992 we saw Fischer play a Czech Benoni and trot out the QGA, stuff he had not come near any other time. He also played the KID for the first time against Spassky then.

Had he played in the twenty-year interim, who knows? It would have required an immense amount of hard work to stay one step ahead, especially after the trouble he had in some of the favourite opening preferences he did essay at Reykjavik.

Jun-22-17  GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.

We know what happened later when he recovered. He demolished Petrosian 4 games in a row. No one has ever done that.

Jun-22-17
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  keypusher: < GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.>

I thought he had a cold. If he'd had the flu presumably he would have postponed.

Jun-22-17
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  offramp: E ain't never moved none of his rooks never.
Dec-03-17
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  offramp: <GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.>

Yes, Fischer lost this game because he had the Spanish Influenza. He was required to play this game blindfolded while Petrosian was allowed to consult books and magazines. Luckily, Fischer developed a cure for Influenza just after this game, that's why he won the Nobel Prize. It also accounts for Fischer's gold medal in the decathlon at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

Dec-03-17  ZonszeinP: By the 6th game, specially for the resumption, it was already Petrosian the one who had the flu. We know very well that these things are contagious

Who knows what to believe nowadays

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