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Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian vs Robert James Fischer
"Gruen Pains" (game of the day Oct-15-2010)
Fischer - Petrosian Candidates Final (1971), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 2, Oct-05
Gruenfeld Defense: Brinckmann Attack (D82)  ·  1-0
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Jan-03-16  SugarDom: Why not just delete all the Fischer losses, so that the Fischer Fanboys would feel better?

Lol.

Jan-03-16  TheFocus: Ah, but that cheats the fans of the players who beat Fischer.

Although, that should only be a handful of players.

Jan-03-16
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  perfidious: <TheFocus: Ah, but that cheats the fans of the players who beat Fischer.>

My dear sir, how dare you deprive <ughhaibu> of his raison d'etre? Tough to name a more virulent anti-Fischer type.

Jun-17-16  cunctatorg: In any case, a real masterpiece, a true gem from Petrosian's part versus RJF at his peak!!

The truth is that even Bobby Fischer at this peak wasn't a God, only the greatest chess hero and you had to play a real masterpiece in order to have any chances to win a game from Fischer!!

Lovely chess here!!

Sep-25-16  N.O.F. NAJDORF: In answer to Jambow: yes, Karpov is an ethnic Russian, but he never played Fischer.
Sep-25-16
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  maxi: At the time the Russians had many excellent players, but Ukranians, Baltic players, Serbs, and guys from other Slavic nations have this love for chess. (And, may I add, for poetry, math and booze.) So they always have had many top players.
Sep-25-16
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  maxi: They also have large Jewish communities, and Jews have an intellectual tradition.
Apr-02-17
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  morfishine: By the time of the Spassky match, Fischer had eschewed both KID & Gruenfeld in response to <1.d4> preferring either <1...d5> or Benoni-type structures to complicate

*****

Apr-02-17
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  zanzibar: <morfishine> RE: Fischer's play against 1.d4

Where did you get the opinion that Fischer was utilizing 1...d5 against 1.d4 ... or just Benonis?

He played two KID's and one Grunfeld against Taimanov, and one QGD and one Grunfeld against Petrosian in the qualifiers.

Maybe you're thinking mostly about Parma del Mallorca, where he played a few Benoni's.

Apr-02-17
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  perfidious: There were four QGDs at Reykjavik, with Fischer Black in only one (ninth game); in that game, he actually responded to 1.d4 with 1....Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5, and only once in the match did he play the Modern Benoni (game 3).
Apr-03-17  RookFile: The first game of the match was actually excellent opening play by Fischer, totally neutralizing one of Spassky's lines against the Nimzo. Of course, all any talks about in that game was Fischer capturing the rook pawn with his bishop.
Apr-03-17  Petrosianic: Well, for several years, Fischer had eschewed the King's Indian when facing players likely to play the Saemisch (of which Spassky was one). The Gruenfeld he avoided against Spassky, partly because he was surely well prepared for it. But I don't think we can assume that if Fischer had kept playing after 1972 that either opening would be gone from his repertoire.
Apr-03-17
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  perfidious: Even in 1992 we saw Fischer play a Czech Benoni and trot out the QGA, stuff he had not come near any other time. He also played the KID for the first time against Spassky then.

Had he played in the twenty-year interim, who knows? It would have required an immense amount of hard work to stay one step ahead, especially after the trouble he had in some of the favourite opening preferences he did essay at Reykjavik.

Jun-22-17  GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.

We know what happened later when he recovered. He demolished Petrosian 4 games in a row. No one has ever done that.

Jun-22-17
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  keypusher: < GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.>

I thought he had a cold. If he'd had the flu presumably he would have postponed.

Jun-22-17
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  offramp: E ain't never moved none of his rooks never.
Dec-03-17
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  offramp: <GT3RS: Fischer had flu in this game and for the next few. Well documented.>

Yes, Fischer lost this game because he had the Spanish Influenza. He was required to play this game blindfolded while Petrosian was allowed to consult books and magazines. Luckily, Fischer developed a cure for Influenza just after this game, that's why he won the Nobel Prize. It also accounts for Fischer's gold medal in the decathlon at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

Dec-03-17  ZonszeinP: By the 6th game, specially for the resumption, it was already Petrosian the one who had the flu. We know very well that these things are contagious

Who knows what to believe nowadays

Aug-02-18  ewan14: As far as I know it was Gligoric who said Fischer had a cold
Aug-02-18  Petrosianic: No healthy chess player ever lost a game. For those who've never heard it, the Russian's excuse for Petrosian's defeats was that the weather turned really hot and humid.
Aug-02-18  Petrosianic: The Russian excuse for the collapse was that Petrosian never wanted to play in Argentina precisely because of the weather (that part is true, at least), and that when the thermometer and barometer went up, Petrosian's play went down.

But, come to think of it, although these excuses negate the outcomes of Games 2, 6, 7, 8 and 9, there's not really an official excuse for Game 1 that I know of. The lights went out a couple of times in Game 1, but that would have affected both players equally, you'd think. Petrosian said he didn't know why he didn't play the moves he'd prepared in advance, but that's not really an excuse, as such. Perhaps the correct score of this match is +1-0=3 to Fischer.

Aug-02-18  Howard: Ed Edmondson also stated that Fischer had a bad cold during the match.
Aug-02-18  Petrosianic: I'm not denying either the existence or the validity of chess excuses. Just pointing out that they might wipe out results that you did want as well as ones you didn't. People always forget that the other guys have excuses too.
Aug-02-18  Petrosianic: I remember once after a Team Event that we didn't win. Two of the guys on our team were churning out excuses left and right. I pulled the other guy who WASN'T making excuses aside, and suggested that we could all ride back home chanting "We shoulda won! We shoulda won!" He thought it was hilarious but the other two wouldn't have.
Aug-03-18  ZonszeinP: And this game is a masterpiece!!
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