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Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer
Fischer-Spassky World Championship Match (1972)  ·  Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Gligoric System Bernstein Defense (E56)  ·  1-0
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Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer (1972)

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Feb-24-13
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  AylerKupp: <diceman> I know you didn't say that, it was my preamble to agreeing with you, there was nothing wrong with the amount of time that it took Fischer to become world champion:

<So the time that it took any world championship titleholder to win the title can never, IMO, be considered "too long".>

Feb-24-13  diceman: <AylerKupp: <diceman>>

Actually (knowing what happened) it
may have been better if it took a little longer. :):):)

Feb-24-13
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  AylerKupp: <diceman> You're right, I never thought of it that way. Had he never become world champion he might still be playing and we would still be enjoying his games.
Feb-25-13  beatgiant: <DrChopper>
<42.g5 Kg6 43 Bd6>

After 42...g5 43. Kg6, Black gets another move before White can play 44. Bd6. Could you post your missing move?

Anyway, the situation looks like an easy win for White, whose Bishop can handle the kingside pawns while the king heads for the queenside.

Feb-25-13  tzar: <AylerKupp: <Rookfile>, <tzar> I was attempting to address only "official" world champions, of which Steinitz was the first. I thought that this would simplify things, otherwise we could engage in a fruitless discussions as to when such-and-such player became the best player in the world. But clearly my attempt was not good enough.>

As far as I am concerned I got your point and it was very clearly expressed. Anyway, congratulations on the research of past great players.

Feb-25-13  DrChopper: Sorry for the mistake: 42.Kh5 g5 43.Kg6 e5 44.Bd6 g4 45.Kf6 Ke4 46.Bxe6 Kd5 after that if Bc7 or Kf5, black play Kc5.

There is probably something I have not seen.

Feb-25-13  DrChopper: Forget that, white still have a way to fight against it. ...46.Bxe6 Kd5 47.Bg3! Kc5 48.Bf2+ Kc6 49.a5 Kb5 40.Kf4 and the position is lost like in the real game.
Apr-17-13
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  AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> (in response to your last post in Aronian vs Kramnik, 2013, "Maybe I wasn't clear ...")

In that sense you are correct. But I disagree. I would consider overlooking 35.Bd2 to be an error in calculation at the time that 29...Bxh2 was played, and likely earlier when Fischer first considered 29...Bxh2 as a possibility. So I think that Fischer's error was that he considered 29...Bxh2 to be playable and possibly give him an advantage or at least winning chances, when in fact it wasn't a good move for the reasons that became apparent later. But yes, if weak players thought that when Fischer played 29...Bxh2 he overlooked 30.g3, well, that's why they are weak players.

May-15-13  Everett: <diceman: <RookFile: Fischer's own statement was that he didn't believe in pyschology - he believed in good moves.>

When Fischer was talking a to physical trainer, there was a hand-strength gauge in the office. Fischer squeezed it, and asked the guy if he could make him strong enough for it to go all the way around?

Puzzled, the guy asked “you’re a chess player, why do you need hand strength?” Fischer said, “when I shake hands with the Russians, I want them to feel it.”>

Judging by his resounding success with women, he likely just wanted to feel himself.

May-24-13
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  PaulLovric: I suspect Fischer played 29...Bxh2 on purpose
Jun-11-13  leka: Dear the Rookfile.The 1970s players like Robert Huebner in 1970 and Lubomir Kavalek got a draw against Fischer.Robert Huebner had a winning position against Fischer in 1970 but could not find the best move.And the players from 1962 to 1972 were not that better than in the 1970s.The blundermakers like Gligoric(lost a rook for knight against Fischer.Hort Larsen Benkö and so on.Fischer selected his the top 2 players 1.Paul Morphy 2.Howard Staunton the players from 1841-1858
Jul-21-13  FischerSpasskyGuy: There's a video by kingscrusher on YouTube that says that Bxh2 was a blunder, rather than a mere inaccuracy, with a lot of analysis on the game.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: 39...a5 seems to draw the game.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: I checked the game over with Houdini and Rybka (engines much better than Fritz), and it seems clear as daylight. For example: 40. Kf2 Kd5 and black will make it to the queenside.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: Believe it or not, this position is a dead draw:


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Nov-01-13  Dionysius1: Really? I always think of "dead" in that context as meaning certain, with not even errors (other than absolute howlers) on either side able to affect the result. It looks too unbalanced for that.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: Dionysius, then you might went to look at this example:


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Another dead drawn position.

Nov-01-13  Conrad93: There are so many ways to get to these types of positions.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: White's most valuable piece is not the bishop, but the e pawn.
Nov-01-13  Conrad93: Another dead draw position:


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White to move.

Nov-01-13  Dionysius1: Got you! You can force the way from what looks like it isn't a dead draw to the position that is, so the first one actually is too? Got it! Thanks guv.
Nov-29-13  asiduodiego: The thing with: 29 ... Bxh2?, is that the move is a blunder, but not for the "obvious" reason. It's a blunder because it loses the bishop, but it's not like Bobby didn't saw the obvious 30 g3 trapping the bishop. His idea was to create an escape for the bishop with the h pawn, but, it turned out, it was impossible. It's not a "patzer's blunder", but it's a blunder anyway.

The amusing thing with this, is that everyone knows and accept this, even Fischer himself said it. Everyone except, of course, Bobby's devoted fanboys, who insist that "Bxh2" was a "deep psychological ploy" by Fischer, because it's just impossible that Fischer just makes a mistake (and such an ugly-looking mistake such as this).

One funny idea I read was "Bxh2 was in the same league with moves such as 11 ... Nh5 in Game 3". Really?, has anyone even seen that game?. 11 ... Nh5 it's what we call a "counter-intuitive" move. It doesn't lose material, but it's dangerous because it doubles a pawn on the Kingside, but there's A LOT of compensation for that, because it leads to an active position for the Queen, and the bishop pair against White's Kingside. It's absolutely NOTHING like "Bxh2", a move which loses material in a completely dead position, with no compensation at all.

Jan-21-14  TomOhio: The poisoned pawn "blunder" was intentional. It was part of the shtick of him being an eccentric, strange, unpredictable person. It gave everyone a shock... "What's wrong with bobby????" THAT was the point.
Jan-29-14
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  FSR: <TomOhio> Right - in the first game of the <match for the world championship> Fischer played a move that lost a bishop, and transformed a dead-drawn position into one where he either (a) was lost or (b) might have been able to draw with perfect play (though he was not able to produce such play), all in order to bolster his reputation for eccentricity. Yeah, that makes tons of sense. I would also note that Fischer did not play chess in an eccentric manner. He did not play weird openings (say, 1.a4 or 1.e4 g5) and did not deliberately play moves that made his position worse.
Jan-29-14  RookFile: Fischer played Bxh2 because he thought it was the best move.
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