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|Apr-13-19|| ||offramp: It is finally Game of the Day: the worst game with the most kibitzing at chessgames.com.|
The pun is okay, especially as <Chambers Dictionary> says:
<bish (informal), noun,
a blunder, mistake.>
Did <Phony Benoni> know this? It would not be beyond his phenomenal mental ambit.
I would have preferred my own phrase, taken from <Gulliver's Travels>, see earlier kibitzing:
<"Cucumbers Into Sunlight".>
|Apr-13-19|| ||Check It Out: A lot of disappointed Americans on the day this game was played. The fuse of the Fischer chess-boom was lit.|
|Apr-13-19|| ||Oldisgold: Spassky played well. It was not an easy win.|
|Apr-13-19|| ||Phony Benoni: <offramp> Sorry,. I wasn't that subtle, but had only the most obvious meaning inmind. . I had just seen this game several times in the Pun Kibitzing Booth with mediocre puns and thought I couldn't do any worse.|
Quality-wise, it's not a great game. Noting happens until Fischer makes an ill-advised move, whereupon Spassky wins after some more errors. Had Fischer offered a draw instead of playing 29...Bxh2, the game would be remembered only as the first game of the match and generated little kibitzing beyond the usual background chatter attached to Fischer game.
29...Bxh2 was a mistake, but it also generated excitement, uncertainty, and enough analysis to choke an engine. It made the game worth remembering. And, to my mind, being memorable is the most important quality of a GOTD.
|Apr-13-19|| ||thegoodanarchist: The postcards from tropical locations, when not sporting a photo of a bare-breasted Hawaiian girl, would often say|
<The weather is fine
Wish you were here>
After Pink Floyd created the most depressing song of the 1970s, <Wish you were here>, the postcard manufacturers no longer wanted to be associated with that phrase.
So they got "clever" (at least relative to their previous creative level) and started to make postcards that said
<The weather is here
Wish you were fine>
Naturally, I thought Phoney Baloney, er, I mean <Phony Benoni>, was mocking those postcard copywriters.
|Apr-13-19|| ||HeMateMe: the professionals don't play this line, do they? After 20 moves white has nothing. Pretty vanilla.|
|Apr-13-19|| ||beatgiant: <HeMateMe>
Hey, a comment on the opening! Spassky had tried it before in Spassky vs Krogius, 1958, and Fischer would have analyzed that in his match prep.
|Apr-13-19|| ||TheBish: Actually, I <wasn't> there! Unfortunately, I hadn't even heard of the game of chess at that time.|
|Apr-13-19|| ||HeMateMe: I was 11. I remember my older brother cursing "That Fischer is going to screw it up! He's going to default the match, with all of this crazy crap!"|
Well, I guess he was half right. Spassky could have claimed a forfeit and ended the match early, if he had wanted to. chess history would look a little different today.
|May-15-19|| ||N.O.F. NAJDORF: I haven't read through the previous 41 pages of comments, so I don't know whether the answer to my question is contained there.|
Fischer was reported to have denied that when he took the KRP he thought he could escape via e1.
It would have been interesting to see his explanation had he written a book about the match (which would probably have earned him more than his match winnings) but maybe he didn't want to be in the position of having to annotate the second game of the match.
Is there any other explanation for his move?
|May-15-19|| ||N.O.F. NAJDORF: Interesting observation, Dyonysius.
The perspective is strange in the photo, with the kings appearing to be much closer than they were.
I do recall that in the television recording, Fischer clasped his nose with his hands and looked heavenward in despair some time after having made his pawn grab.
This certainly discredits the claim that he threw the game.
It looks as though the photo was taken (or taken from the recording) shortly afterwards.
I haven't seen the film for some time.
I don't know whether it would give any further clues.
|May-15-19|| ||SChesshevsky: <N.O.F. NAJDORF> I think that Fischer took the pawn thinking that he saw definite drawing chances but also with a long shot winning possibility. I also think that in his calc of 29...Bxh2, he missed 37. Ba3 which probably turns it to difficult drawing chances at best. Photo appears to show blacks king on d5, so maybe it was taken after 37. Ba3.|
|May-15-19|| ||beatgiant: <N.O.F. NAJDORF>
<Fischer was reported to have denied that when he took the KRP he thought he could escape via e1.>|
I have not heard this before. Where was it reported?
Fine wrote that Fischer told him he missed 32...h3 33. Kg4 Bg1 34. Kxh3 Bxf2 <35. Bd2>, i.e. he thought he could escape via e1. But Fine wrote a lot of other nonsense about this match, so if there's a better source with a contrary report, I'd be inclined to believe it.
|May-15-19|| ||beatgiant: <N.O.F. NAJDORF>
<I do recall that in the television recording, Fischer clasped his nose with his hands and looked heavenward in despair some time after having made his pawn grab.|
This certainly discredits the claim that he threw the game.>
Number one, I never heard anyone claim that he threw the game. Number two, I can't imagine that he would throw the game. Number three, even if he did somehow throw the game, wouldn't he also be able to play act the "look of despair" described above?
|Jun-13-19|| ||tdh1967: Computers showed long ago 39....f5 loses. Any possibility of a draw after this is zero. It's a draw up to this point based on deep computer analysis. The win has been verified on my computer every since six piece syzygy databases have been available because the program can see forced lines leading into a winning result. Software with six piece syzygy does prove a loss after Fischer's 39th move. In chessbase GUI, run a blunder check with Stockfish at even at only two minutes per move on modern machine and the mate announcements will be revealed all the way back to this particular move. I found nothing without the software|
|Jun-13-19|| ||harrylime: What is the fascination with this game ???
Itz a bore draw at best. ...
Oh YEAH GET IT ...
BOBBY FISCHER LOST. 😎👍
|Jun-13-19|| ||beatgiant: It's a lot of people trying to claim that 29...Bxh2 is not as bad as it looks.|
|Jun-13-19|| ||Count Wedgemore: <beatgiant> I think it's even worse than it looks :)|
|Jun-13-19|| ||harrylime: <beatgiant: It's a lot of people trying to claim that 29...Bxh2 is not as bad as it looks.>|
I could make a case for Bobby Fischer being the BEST chess player in the world throughout most of the 60's ... And de facto WORLD CHAMPION in the 60's.
This is just one game. And one move.
lol lol lol
|Jun-13-19|| ||RookFile: I think Gligoric put Bxh2 rather well in his book. He basically said there is a difference between being brave and foolhardy. |
I think the problem is, let's say for the sake of argument that there was no problems with the move and Spassky was forced to play gxh4 to let the bishop out. Congratulations, you've weakened Spassky's pawn structure - but he gets a draw anyway.
In other words, the reward you would get is not worth the risk taken.
|Jun-13-19|| ||harrylime: <RookFile: I think Gligoric put Bxh2 rather well in his book. He basically said there is a difference between being brave and foolhardy.
I think the problem is, let's say for the sake of argument that there was no problems with the move and Spassky was forced to play gxh4 to let the bishop out. Congratulations, you've weakened Spassky's pawn structure - but he gets a draw anyway.|
In other words, the reward you would get is not worth the risk taken.>
What exactly are you trying to say here ??? lol lol
|Jun-14-19|| ||RookFile: Simply stated, you don't play the risky Bxh2 because even if it works it's still only a draw.|
|Aug-31-19|| ||KID Slayer: <beatgiant> I agree with you entirely.|
There's a video that points out that 29...Bxh2 was in fact a blunder from the get-go and provides a plethora of variations showing Spassky always comes out on top.
|Sep-06-19|| ||N.O.F. NAJDORF: For the claim that Fischer threw the game:
|Sep-07-19|| ||harrylime: <N.O.F. NAJDORF: For the claim that Fischer threw the game:
Bobby threw the game .. and ?? lol lol lol
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