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| Sep-07-20 | | jith1207: More like
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| Sep-07-20 | | jith1207: <Sally Simpson> I like following games Live in <Chess24> as you can turn off the comments when looking at the scoresheet alongside the board, which helps to look at the moves played and replay the game as well. That's even more better when I usually follow live in their mobile app where there are no comments section at all. <ChessBomb> is always funnier, especially when the bright and slight red move markings go awry. I used to follow and love <ChessDom> as they have only games and computer evaluations to look at and nothing else, and I like their Web interface than others especially that's the best site to follow chess in an event that has so many number of simultaneous games going on like Opens, Olympiad, World Cup, team events, etc., |
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Sep-07-20
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Hi jith1207,
I have tried Chess24 but it makes my kit run clunky. Chess bomb is fine and as I said sometimes the comments are more interesting (wrong word, hilarious, is more apt.) than the games. *** |
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| Nov-09-20 | | asiduodiego: <Petrosianic> <One thing to keep in mind, though, is that when beginners say an ending is easy, they mean WITH computer assistance. If you've watched games live on C24, you know the ritual where half the posters will do nothing except watch the eval, report all of its changes, and boldly proclaim that "Somebody blundered!" when it changes by more than 0.2. To them that constitutes commenting on the game themselves. To that mindset, the larger the advantage, the easier it is to convert, which is sometimes true, but often not.> That's why I always close the chat while watching the games on C24. In the first place, is annoying, and second, all they do is just copy and paste the line predicted by the engine and calling "patzer" the player who doesn't follow the line. Congratulations, you know how to click in a screen and copy-paste a line. I'm not a good chess player, but if you REALLY want to get a glimpse of what's going on, use the line as a reference, not as the "absolute and irrefutable truth". Try to play the line yourself, and think on the alternatives, and then you can grow as a player. |
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| Dec-19-20 | | petermccaughey1964: (first post) I would appreciate any analysis on my assertion that 32....g5. 33.Kg2 g4 34. KxB h3 leads to a draw. (The idea is to create a protected passed pawn that locks the king in the corner. The only way to escape this is to bring the bishop in to block the pawn to free up the King- this takes a lot of time and by my calculations if white tries this black can queen a pawn.. I think people miss the point of Fishers actions. Why endanger yourself at all when it's a dead draw? Psychological warfare and International headlines that's why. Unsettling the opponent, playing the 'unplayable' and as I say, under the variation I suggest there are winning chances for black if white misplays it. |
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| Dec-19-20 | | RookFile: Both Petrosian and Spassky wanted to show Fischer that they could make a draw against him whenever they wanted. Fischer wanted to show them it wasn't that simple. Hence 29....Bxh2?! |
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| Jul-12-21 | | Albion 1959: Time for another look at this game 49 years on. It is universally accepted that 29. Bxh2?! was not a losing move for Fischer and his real mistake was on move 40, when he played f4? Instead of the subtle Kd5! That shows (with forensic analysis) would have held the draw. Had the game been adjourned at move 39 instead of move 40, it is not inconceivable that Fischer would have found Kd5! in the overnight analysis. However, after 40 move and with the benefit of his team of seconds, found the right path to victory and made it look easy and won with relative ease. I can't help wonder that if this was an allegro finish (no adjournments), if Spassky would have won this ending over board? It was by no means easy! I have learned a great deal from studying this endgame, it is instructive. Credit to both players, especially Fischer, for not taking an easy draw when he had the chance. Though it was a needless way to score a loss in the opening game: |
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Jul-13-21
 | | beatgiant: <petermccaughey1964>
I think the ...g4,...h3 idea has been already discussed above, but I couldn't find it with a quick search. But just looking at it now, I don't think the idea is good enough. White can eventually transfer the bishop to g1 to free the king, and Black will either be pushed back or will have to give up the h-pawn. Here is an example.
Phase 1: prevent Black from attacking White's pawns.
32...g5 33.Kg2 g4 34. Kxh2 h3 35. f3 f5 36. fxg4 fxg4 37. e4 Ke7 38. Be3 a6 39. a4 Kd6 40. Bd4 
click for larger viewPhase 2: free the king by maneuvering the bishop to block the h-pawn.
40...Kd7 41. Kg1 Ke7 42. Kf1 Kd6 43. b6 Kc6 44. Bg1 
click for larger viewPhase 3: Black must either drop the h-pawn to activate his king, or be pushed back. I give an example where Black takes the first option. 44...h2 45. Bxh2 Kxb6 46. Bg1+ Ka5 47. Ke2 Kxa4 <48. Ke3> e5 49. Kd3 b5 <50. Bd4> 
click for larger viewI believe White is winning here. If Black takes the bishop, White queens first with check. |
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Jul-14-21
| | beatgiant: <petermccaughey1964>
Unfortunately, I now think my line is above is wrong. In my second diagram above, Black can play 44...e5. If White's king comes up, Black moves his king back and forth between c6 and d6 and won't be pushed back, and I can't find any win. I'll have to take another look at this later. |
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Jul-14-21
| | beatgiant: Based on what I found, against the ...g4 and ...h3 plan, White should aim for a position like this:
click for larger viewHere I believe White wins. If Black defends passively, White's king can eventually break through via b6. But I will have to post an actual analysis later to verify that this is possible. |
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| Mar-18-22 | | SonnyGIII: '72 and none. Bobby Fischer is phenomenal. |
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| Jul-07-22 | | NimzoWitch: Thomas Engqvist analyzes the ending after 29...Bxh2 in his book: 300 Most Important Tactical Chess Positions (Published 2020).
Position 192 at page 208.
He finds an error in Speelman's analysis and shows that 37...a6 38.b6 Kc6 leads to a win for White.
He seems to agree with Speelman that 39...f5? was the losing move and that 39... e5! should draw for Black. |
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Jul-11-22
| | Sally Simpson: It was 50 years ago today.
Bobby Fischer taught the world to play.
On that day he created a storm,
Why Oh Why did he take that h2 pawn. |
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| Jul-11-22 | | dannymay: Along with Desmond Tutu, the most consequential black bishop in history. |
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: I'm not caught up with the rest of the thread, but as to 29...Bh2, giving up the bishop for two pawns, I am reluctant to believe that Fischer really intended not to lose the bishop. It's getting two pawns for the bishop, maybe not a particularly good idea, maybe makes the position sharper. He outsmarted himself in the later play, but is not at this point actually in danger. With two extra pawns, Black has compensation for the piece. <SChesshevsky: Mednis idea, and some of the posted computer analysis I believe, is that Black can draw by eventually getting a blockade stalemate position on the qside with white wrong B. Maybe not the precise line , but something like: 37...a6 38. bxa6 bxa6 39. Bb4 Ke4 40. Bc5 f5 41. Kh4 e5 42. Kg5 f4 43. exf4 exf4 44. Kg6 f3 45. Kxg7 f2 46. Bxf2.Idea probably has merit and maybe Fischer would've went for it had he the overnight to analyze.> This is after 36. a4:
click for larger viewI don't think Black is in danger. Nothing wrong with 36...a6, nothing wrong with 36...Kd5, nothing wrong with 36...Kd5, nothing wrong with 36...g6, and any of them w/draw offer. |
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: Where did Fischer go wrong? This is after 39. b6:
click for larger view39...f5?? is a blunder. Of course Black doesn't have a piece, and needs to be careful here, about letting White's king get into a good position. Spassky figures out the correct move here, which is 40. Kh4! 
click for larger viewNow White can win, and I really do mean 'White is won', but the drama isn't quite over, because Black now plays 40...f4?? 
click for larger viewAnother terrible move. Exchanging this pawn off leaves Black with some isolated pawns. This makes White's job easier. After these two catastrophic moves, Black can resign. 41. exf4 looks like this: 
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: <NimzoWitch: Thomas Engqvist analyzes the ending after 29...Bxh2 in his book: 300 Most Important Tactical Chess Positions (Published 2020). Position 192 at page 208.
He finds an error in Speelman's analysis and shows that 37...a6 38.b6 Kc6 leads to a win for White.> After 37...a6 38. b6:
click for larger viewNot 38...Kc6?? but 38...Ke4 or 38...e5. I'm just plugging into Stockfish for these 'opinions'. Honestly I'm kind of flabbergasted as to how it can be that the alternatives don't more or less transpose -- I can't calculate this, but muse that without a piece, Black relies greatly on the position of his king. <He seems to agree with Speelman that 39...f5? was the losing move and that 39... e5! should draw for Black.> If we agree that 39...f5?? was the losing move, then what about 39...e5. Fine, but also 39...g6. These two moves, in either order. |
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: I mentioned that 39...e5 or 39...g6 holds the draw, and not 39...f5? But what about 39...Kf5:
click for larger viewEngine get nervous with this one. By this, I simply mean that it's coming up with a +1.12 eval for 40. Bf8, at 35ply. At 36/37/38ply, it goes back down to +0.33. Of course the engine is just having a conversation w/itself about this. I can grasp, maybe, that here with Black's three connected pawns, it's difficult for White to win. The winning chances maybe come with somehow breaking these pawns up so they can't defend each other. |
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: After 7...Nc6:
click for larger viewThere is some book stuff here. Spassky played 8. a3, and Fischer played 8...Ba5. That's a strange direction. With 8. cxd5 exd5 9. dxc5 Bxc5 we have this: 
click for larger viewBlack has an IQP. Might be pretty straightforward, that kind of pawn center, but it's kind of an edge to White. 10. h3 Qe7 11. b3 Rd8 12. Be2 Ne4 13. Ne2 Bf5 14. Rc1: 
click for larger viewWhite has quite a bit. |
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| Jul-14-23 | | DanLanglois: Though I'm looking at a database of games w/1000+ games that have 8. a3. For whatever it is worth, actually the most popular move. |
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| Aug-06-23 | | NimzoWitch: Tibor Karolyi, in his 2022 book "Fisher - Spassky 1972 Match of the Century Revisited" provides the ultimate analysis for this game. He shows that there were three moves for Black that can draw:
the well known 39...e5 as well as 39 ...Kf5 and 39...g6 |
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Apr-25-24
 | | OhioChessFan: "No One Becomes an Unbeaten Bishop" |
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Jun-29-24
 | | Chessmaletaja: It is told that Fischer made the move 29...♗xh2?! quickly and at the moment when Spassky was not near the board. I guess Fischer desperately wanted to become the world champion, but he was so obsessed with that dream that he thought he must do everything against Spassky's will to demonstrate who the real boss was. It was clear that Spassky, with white pieces, was satisfied with a draw in the first game. Spassky's passive and secure opening variation showed that. Therefore, Fischer wanted to demonstrate that he was the boss who dictated when Spassky and his team could take a brake and play tennis. |
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Jun-29-24
| | Sally Simpson: Edward Winter has the moment Bobby is pressing his clock after playing 29...Bxh2. Spassky is not at the board. https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... In a list I saw of the most famous moves ever played 29...Bxh2 came fifth. https://web.archive.org/web/2023060... If we do our own poll based on posts in the game's thread. (taking onboard threads can drift all over the place.) This post is number 1205. 1st. Marshall's 23...Qg3 currently limps in comparison with 252. S Levitsky vs Marshall, 1912 (kibitz #252) 2nd. R Nezhmetdinov vs O Chernikov, 1962 (kibitz #288) 12.Qxf6 slightly better at 288 3rd. Attracting only 75 posts is 18.Nc6 in Kholmov vs Bronstein, 1965 (kibitz #75) 4th. 30.Qh8+ 319 Petrosian vs Spassky, 1966 (kibitz #319) |
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| Aug-13-24 | | Tom Barrister: 39....f5 is the losing move.
As mentioned in many places, the drawing move is: 39....e5
40.Kh4
Or Kg4. Other moves are possible, but White must eventually attempt to break up Black's pawns. 40....g6
Black denies White access to the pawns
41.Kg4 a4
41....Kd3 also works.
Black's pawn is untouchable, because Black has nowhere to put the Bishop without losing the pawn at e3 The hasty 41...f5 loses to 42.Kg5 f4 43.exf4 3xf4 44.Kxg6. By the time Black spends 4 moves advancing the f pawn and getting his Bishop back, White will be over on the Queen side and take both Black pawns. 42.Kg3
The engine prefers 42.Be7, but Black now has time for 42....Kxe3 43.Bxf6 Kd4 44.Kf3 Kc5 45.Bf8 g5 46.Kf3 g5 47.Kxe5 (stalling leads to the same pawns-King setup farther down the board) g4 48.Bh4 Kxb6 49.Kd5 Ka6 50.Kc5 b6+ 51.Kc6 Ka7 (or pushing the pawn) 52.Bxg3 Ka8 (and not the silly Ka6 53.Bb8 and mate next), and White's a pawn is on the wrong color square. Black simply shuttles between a8 and an adjacent square, and White can make no progress. 42....f5
Now this works, because White's king isn't in position to infiltrate. 43.Kh4 Kd5
And not 43....f4 44.exf4 exf4 45. Kg5, leading to positions mentioned in the notes to Black's move 41. 44.Be7
45.Ba3 f4 46.exf4 exf4 47.Kg4 Kc6, followed by Kxb6, Kc6, and b5, liquidating White's last pawn. 44....f4
Black must not be hasty and play Kc6 45.Bd8 (Bf6 also works) f4 46.e4, and now White's e pawn is secure, and White can meet any counter play. 45.exf4
Nothing else is any better.
46....exf4
47.Kg4 Kc6
48.Bd8
48.Kxf4 Kxb6 49.Bd8+ followed by b5.
48....g5
Black must stay in contact with the pawn at b6 so that the Bishop can't wander about 49.Kf3
49.Kxg5 f3 and Black wins. 49.Bxg5 Kxc6 leads to lines mentioned earlier. 49....Kc5
White stays in touch with the b pawn.
50.Bc7
Nothing else is any better. Black won't move either pawn and will keep contact with the pawn on b6. 50....Kb4
Shuttling between c6 and c5 also works.
51.Kg4 Kxa3
52.Kxg5 f3
The most direct. Other moves also draw.
53.Bg3 Kb5
54.Bf2 a4
Again the most direct. Other moves also work.
55.Kg4 a3
56.Kxf3 a2
57.Bd4 a1/Q
58.BxQ Kxb6 =
Black can also get cute and not capture, i.e. 58....Kc4 59.Ke4 Kc5 60.Bd4 Kc6 (any other move loses) followed by Kd7, and White has no way to flush Black out. |
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