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Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer
"Crime and Punishment" (game of the day Feb-03-2017)
Fischer - Spassky World Championship Match (1972), Reykjavik ISL, rd 11, Aug-06
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Poisoned Pawn Variation (B97)  ·  1-0
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Sep-10-16
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  keypusher: <PJs Studio: I've always thought that Fischer specifically played the Poisioned Pawn in Game 11 with the attitude "let's see what your team has developed" - but only After he had a commanding lead in the match. His entire match strategy up until that point was to avoid all of his previous lines with black (no gruenfeld, no KID, Alekhine's defense, Nimzo...of course all of this is well known.)>

This was the second Poisoned Pawn in the match. He'd played it in game 7 with a one-point lead.

Spassky vs Fischer, 1972

Because it was the second time the variation had shown up, I've never found Spassky's claim to have found Nb1 over the board credible. I imagine the Soviets did quite a bit of analysis between games 7 and 11.

<john barleycorn> That is a very confident statement, but he had the benefit of knowing he had already won the game. It was Petrosian who varied his openings in every game in the match, whereas against Spassky it was Fischer who repeatedly sidestepped Soviet prep, as PJs Studio pointed out.

Sep-10-16  ZonszeinP: Spassky claimed he found it over the board.
I believe he spent more than 20 minutes on that move. But of course, those who don't believe him could claim that he spent that time trying to remember... Interesting how Karpov beat the same Spassky with the same move (in a different position) 2 years later
Sep-10-16
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  keypusher: <ZonszeinP> That's right, a beautiful game.

Karpov vs Spassky, 1974


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Sep-10-16  ZonszeinP: That is the one
Thank you
Feb-03-17
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  ChessHigherCat: At first I thought 15...d5 looked like a horrible move but then I saw that white could have won the queen otherwise with 16. a3 Qa4 17 Nc3
Feb-03-17
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  RookFile: A rare loss for Fischer with this Sicilian line. Certainly he had a great batting average with it.
Feb-03-17
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  offramp: In his book on the match Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander says that the reason for Fischer's delayed resignation was that he waited for Spassky to leave the stage.
Feb-03-17  Ratt Boy: Crime and Pawnishment.
Feb-03-17  BOSTER: Curiosity is not a crime.
Feb-03-17
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  Big Pawn: I was thinking about playing 15...Ne7 so that if:

16. a3 Qa4
17. Nc3 Qc6
18. Na5 Qc7
19. Nc4 and now maybe Nc8

I wonder what I missed?

Feb-03-17
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  maxi: Interesting answer by <Nerwal> a couple of years ago as to why 11...h5.
Feb-03-17
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  perfidious: <kudzu....I wonder what I missed?>

What you always do, <fake 1900 player>.

Feb-03-17
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  Big Pawn: <perf> I corrected your sloppy commentary at this game Morphy vs NN, 1855

You are misleading weaker players and not giving good advice.

#FakeMaster

Feb-03-17  RandomVisitor: After 15.Qe3


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

<0.00/41 15...Ne7> 16.a3 Qa4 17.Nc3 Qc6 18.Na5 Qc7 19.Nc4 Rc8 20.Rad1 Ng8 21.f5 b5 22.fxe6 fxe6 23.e5 bxc4 24.Ne4 d5 25.Nxf6+ Nxf6 26.Qg5 Ng4 27.Bxg4 hxg4 28.Rxf8+ Rxf8 29.Qh5+ Rf7 30.Qh8+ Ke7 31.Qh4+ Kf8 32.Qh8+ Ke7

Feb-04-17
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  Big Pawn: <abdel> I am just reacting to <perfidious'> statement above on this thread.

<perfidious: <kudzu....I wonder what I missed?> What you always do, <fake 1900 player>.>

There was no need for that, so I responded.

Have a <great day> Abby.

Feb-04-17
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

<Big Pawn: I was thinking about playing 15...Ne7 so that if:

16. a3 Qa4
17. Nc3 Qc6
18. Na5 Qc7
19. Nc4 and now maybe Nc8

I wonder what I missed?>

I looked at that, too, because 15. ...d5 seemed to compromise Black's position and I wanted to see if a decent alternative existed.

I'm not using an engine, and I didn't analyze all the variations, so this is not conclusive. But after 19. ...Nc8?!, it does appear that White can get a dangerous initiative with 20. e5!

If Black now responds, e.g., 20. ...fxe5 21. fxe5, d5, White can continue 22. Nxd5!, exd5 23. Nd6+ with a dangerous attack. Black may be able to improve, but with the knight on c8, his position is perilously passive, and we know what tends to happen to passive defense in the Sicilian.

Instead of 19. ...Nc8, Black can seek more active thematic counterplay with 19. ...Rc8 20. e5!, fxe5 21. fxe5, Ng6 with a tense position. However, White's initiative still appears to give him the edge.

Feb-04-17
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  Big Pawn: <Perfidous: That said, I will not be bullied by the poster who has made the mistake of playing his wares outside Rogoff.>

Don't throw stones on this page then. I made a comment pertaining to this game and left it alone.

You brought garbage in from elsewhere when you said,

<<perfidious: <kudzu....I wonder what I missed?> What you always do, <fake 1900 player>.>>

That was an invitation to respond, and I did.

You're the one that brought outside arguments to this page. I was commenting on the game.

Apology accepted.

Feb-04-17
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  Big Pawn: <abdel: I'm not using an engine, and I didn't analyze all the variations, so this is not conclusive. But after 19. ...Nc8?!, it does appear that White can get a dangerous initiative with 20. e5!

If Black now responds, e.g., 20. ...fxe5 21. fxe5, d5, White can continue 22. Nxd5!, exd5 23. Nd6+ with a dangerous attack. >

Right, so instead of asking for the sac, black has to play an untangling move like 21...Bc6 and then if 22. ed Nxd6 23. Nxd6 Bxd6 it seems like black is good and the ...Nc8 did it's job.

Feb-04-17
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

<Mrs Butterworth>, I know you're new here, but contrary to appearances, this is not the place to discuss politics or religion.

If you want to discuss those topics, I suggest you go to the <Kenneth Rogoff> player page: Kenneth S Rogoff.

But be warned: It's a free-fire zone. There are practically *no* posting guidelines enforced there, so you'd better have a strong stomach, and remember to take nothing personally (which is not always easy, because personal attacks are the preferred currency in that forum).

If you go there, good luck.

Feb-04-17
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

<Big Pawn: <abdel: I'm not using an engine, and I didn't analyze all the variations, so this is not conclusive. But after 19. ...Nc8?!, it does appear that White can get a dangerous initiative with 20. e5!

If Black now responds, e.g., 20. ...fxe5 21. fxe5, d5, White can continue 22. Nxd5!, exd5 23. Nd6+ with a dangerous attack. >

Right, so instead of asking for the sac, black has to play an untangling move like 21...Bc6 and then if 22. ed Nxd6 23. Nxd6 Bxd6 it seems like black is good and the ...Nc8 did it's job.>

I'd agree that 21. ...Bc6 looks like a more solid defense than 21. ...d5?!, but White should not exchange knights on d6. After 22. exd6, Nxd6, more promising looks 23. Nb6, Rd8 24. Nbd5, with initiative.

One possible improvement for the second player is 22. ...Bxd6, but I haven't really studied it yet.

Feb-04-17  Mrs Butterworth: <abdel: If you go there, good luck.>

Heh, heh.

If I go there, you religious nuts will need good luck!

Maybe you can pray for some? :)))

Feb-04-17  RandomVisitor: Just how "poisoned" is the pawn?

After 8...Qxb2 <18 hours computer time>


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

0.00/41 9.Rb1 Qa3 10.f5 Nc6 11.fxe6 fxe6 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Be2 Be7 14.0-0 0-0 15.Rb3 Qc5+ 16.Be3 Qe5 17.Bd4 Qa5 18.Bb6 Qe5 19.Bd4

-0.26/41 9.Nb3 Qa3 10.Bxf6 gxf6 11.Be2 <Be7> 12.0-0 0-0 13.Bh5 Nc6 14.Rf3 Kh8 15.Rh3 Rg8 16.Bxf7 Rg7 17.Bh5 Bd7 18.Kh1 Rc8 19.Be2 b5 20.Rf1 Bd8 21.Rd1 Bc7 22.Nb1 Qb4 23.Qxb4 Nxb4 24.c3 Nc6 25.c4 bxc4 26.Bxc4 d5 27.Bxa6 Rb8 28.Nc5 Bxf4 29.exd5 exd5 30.Nxd7 Rxd7 31.a4 d4 32.Bb5 Rc7 33.Rf3 Bg5 34.Rff1 Rd8 35.g3 Ne5 36.h4 Be3 37.Rxf6

Feb-04-17
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  beatgiant: <RandomVisitor> Wouldn't that position still be in the engine's opening book?
Feb-05-17  RandomVisitor: <beatgiant>I turned off the opening book to see what the computer would say on its own.

After 11.Be2


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Komodo-10.1-64bit:

<-0.14/41 11...Be7 12.0-0 h5> 13.Nd1 Nd7 14.Ne3 Qa4 15.Bf3 h4 16.Rad1 h3 17.g3 Rb8 18.Qc3 b5 19.a3 b4 20.Qc4 Qb5 21.axb4 Qxb4 22.Kf2 a5 23.Qxb4 Rxb4 24.Nxa5 Nc5 25.Nc6 Nxe4+ 26.Bxe4 Rxe4 27.Ra1 Kd7 28.Nxe7 Kxe7 29.Ra7+ Bd7 30.Rb1 Rd8 31.Rbb7 f5 32.c3 d5 33.Rc7 Kd6 34.Nc2 Rc4 35.Rxc4 dxc4 36.Na3 Rc8 37.Ke3 Rc5

Aug-07-17  Albion 1959: Forty five years old and time to revisit this game. I came across a copy of Fischer Spassky Move by Move - by Larry Evans and Ken Smith. This game features on page 122. They suggest or give for Fischer on move 13 Na5 instead of Bd7. Analysis appears to show that this looks playable for Fischer. Since it immediately challenges the knight on b3. For example 13. Kh1 Na5!
14. Nb1 Nxc3
15. axb Qc5 allows Fischer's queen to escape to c5 now that there is no longer a knight controlling c5 Worth looking at ?
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