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| Jan-12-04 |
| firn: I only wish I had such an imaginative mind on the board. I suck :( |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| ZScore: I believe 20.Rxf7 also wins for white. |
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| crafty: 20.  xf7 c7 21. xc7  d7 22.  g6 e7 23. fxe7 xc7 24. e6+  h7 25. f5+ g8 26. e8=+ f8 27. exf8# (eval Mat07; depth 9 ply; 10M nodes) |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| Shadout Mapes: I also guessed Rxf7, I should've looked at Qg6 since it was involved in my calculations of Rxf7. |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| unclewalter: how fast did you guys see this one? i wish there was some way we could time ourselves on these. it'd be interesting to see if some people who had trouble with this one (which i got quickly) might find others, some which i can't solve at all, rather simple. |
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Jan-12-04
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| patzer2: <unclewalter> It took me a couple of minutes, because the mating pattern is a bit unusual. However, I saw it immediately once I examined the possibility 20. Qg6. |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| mrvertigo: well, looking at the board the thought 'black's screwed' popped into my head right away. Although I also came up with RxF7. |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| ughaibu: Chessgames.com: There is a duplicate of this game with a lot of kibitzing, wouldn't it be sensible to try to keep everything on only one of the duplicates in such cases? |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| Benjamin Lau: Does 20. Qg6 fxg6 21. f7+ also win, except not immediately? I don't have the time to check myself right now, I just thought it would be an interesting sideline if it did. The game continuation is the most straight forward of course in either case. |
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Jan-12-04
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| chessgames.com: ughaibu: Thanks for pointing that out. We had no idea. |
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Jan-12-04
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| crafty: 21. f7+ h7 22. fxe8= c7 23. xg6+ g8 24. xc7  (eval 22.12; depth 11 ply; 250M nodes) |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| PaulMorphyisnotdead: I also saw Rxf7! as the continuation, but i am sure Bronstein had his reasons. |
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Jan-12-04
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| kevin86: Everytime I say a position where a player can sac his gueen on g6(g3),I think of Frank Marshall. I think that was the single most brilliant move ever made! This is a good variant |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| rodolpheb: <crafty> in the line :
20. Rxf7 Rc7 21. Rxc7 Nd7
why not
21. Rxd7 e2 22. Rxg7+ Kg8 23. Ng6#
Did I miss something ? |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| Dick Brain: 20 Qg6! I'm sure I've solved this problem before. I think it's included in a tactics quiz collection somewhere. |
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Jan-12-04
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| patzer2: I slightly prefer the more popular 5...c5 ( as in I Naumkin vs Shirov, 1991 or Spassky vs Huebner, 1982 or Martin Markl vs Andreas Schenk, 2003 ) to 5...0-0 in this opening. BCO (Kasparov and Keene) indicates Black reaches unclear to equal positions with 5...c5, while 5...0-0 6. f3 (e.g. 44% White wins to 24% Black wins out of 29 games in the Opening Explorer) leads to a slight White advantage. Although Black may have drawing resources after 5...0-0 6. f3 as in Topalov vs Leko, 2002 White has a lot of tactical pitfalls for Black if he slips up as in Harikrishna vs C Gokhale, 2002 Of course, Black also has to be careful after 5...c5 not to fall into a tactical trap as in B Murali Krishnan vs D V Prasad, 2002 The Nimzo-Indian Samisch (4. a3) seems to be an opening that offers tactical, attacking players a good option to consider against the Nimzo-Indian Defense. BCO notes the Samisch (4. a3) is "an arrogant reaction, investing a tempo to force Black to implement his strategy of doubling the white c-pawns. White tries to start an immediate attack by expanding in the center and smoking out the opposing king. This show of aggression is not to be taken lightly and Black needs to be well acquainted with the dangers which lie in store for him in order to react properly." |
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| patzer2: Note that in Topalov vs Leko, 2002 black replies to 6. f3 in the Nimzo-Indian Samisch with the rare and interesting 6...Ne8!?, a surprising (no it's not a joke) opening move that has had good results the few time Black has tried it. The move seems to have first been used in GM play in Szabo vs Taimanov, 1950 |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| Benjamin Lau: <crafty>
Thanks, 22.12 is a pretty big advantage. So 20. Qg6 fxg6 21. f7+ apparently wins too except less quickly. It was my very first reaction when I saw the problem and I went for it immediately, I guess that's why Lasker tells us if we find a good move, to wait a little longer and find an even better one... except not in blitz. :-) |
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Jan-12-04
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| Sneaky: If it says +22 I bet it's a forced mate if it could just look a few ply deeper. But 20.Qg6!! is a mate in three so you can't really argue with Bronstein's approach. |
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| InspiredByMorphy: Bronstein is impressive in this game even though I dont like the Queens gambit. I love Bronsteins 16. g4?! Its the lighting of the fuse to some intense fireworks! (20.Qg6) Hey when all other plans fail...attack the king! |
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| Jan-12-04 |
| Benjamin Lau: Morphy, I noticed you like the King's Gambit. Have you ever seen: Bronstein vs M20 (Computer), 1963
Spassky vs Bronstein, 1960 |
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Jun-27-06
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| notyetagm: White To Play: 20 ?
click for larger view20 g6! is a thunderous move, exploiting the <LATERAL PIN> on the Black f7-pawn along the 7th rank created by the White b7-rook against the loose g7-square. Black is mated no matter what he does. If he doesn't take the White g6-queen, then 21 xg7#. But if he does capture the White queen with his f7-pawn, then he opens the 7th rank for the White b7-rook and allows the mating continuation 20 ... fxg6 21 xg7+ and 22 xg6#. A great example of the power of a 7th rank rook and a killer 6th-rank pawn which creates a checking/mating focal point on a square next to the enemy king. |
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Jun-27-06
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| notyetagm: 20 g6! since the defensive power of a pinned piece is merely illusory. The Black f7-pawn only pretends to defend the g6-square since it must block the 7th rank. |
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| Dec-08-06 |
| thegoodanarchist: Geller doesn't usually get "miniatured"! |
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| May-01-09 |
| Dillon: What a monster move! |
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