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|Apr-15-08|| ||goodevans: <<Eyal: <zooter: 15. Rxg7+ Kxg7 (forced or else 16.Rxh7+ & 17. Qg4#) 16. Qg4+ Kh8 17. Qh5 and mate can be delayed by a few moves at best> |
Actually, 17.Qh5? fails to 17...f5 18.Bxf5 (or 18.Qxf5 Qh4) 18...Kg7 19.Qxh7+ Kf6 and the Black king escapes... it's important to be precise on move 17 and find Qf5!>>
15 Rxg7+ Kh8 16 Qh5 looks simpler to me.
|Apr-15-08|| ||thitho: the worse is that after Bxg2, white's moves are almost forced... to win. hehe|
I guess Geller's mistake can be explained like the one Zukertort committed against Steinitz in the decisive game to become world champion... If there was no pressure on these players, Zukertort would have become the new world champion before Lasker...
|Apr-15-08|| ||popski: Yea, I also can't believe that was this game played by no other but Efim Geller?!|
|Apr-15-08|| ||nateinstein: For some reason I was thinking black could still play f5 to prevent mate after Rxg7+, so I went for the draw with Bxh7+ first, then Rxg7+, followed by perpetual checks with the queen.|
|Apr-15-08|| ||MaxxLange: <Yes - After 15.Bxh7+(?) Kxh7 16.Qh5+ Kg8 17.Qg4?? g6 White has nothing>|
I calculated 15. Bxh7+ Kxh7 16. Qh5+ Kg8 17. Rxg7+ Kxg7 18. Rg1+, which wins, but the problem is the Rook can't go there
|Apr-15-08|| ||jovack: Sam shellaqued black.
As a beginner I always jumped at the B/G pawn with my bishops or queens until i realized that often opening that file for the rook was bad news. Not always, sometimes it is worth it, but this is a good example of when to be weary of that.
|Apr-15-08|| ||eblunt: To get this , you definately need to see ♕f5 rather than ♕h5 IMO, which I did , just at the last moment|
|Apr-15-08|| ||kevin86: I first tries the "usual" king side attack move 15 ♗xh7+ ♔xh7 16 ♕h5+ ♔g8 17 ♕h6-but g6 gums up the works.|
The correct move is : 15 ♖xg7+ ♔xg7 16 ♕g4+ ♔h6 17 ♕h4+ ♔g7 18 ♕xh7#, a variation of an epaulette mate. Black's pawn at f6 prevents an escape.
|Apr-15-08|| ||MichAdams: Semon stains Geller's reputation.|
|Apr-15-08|| ||Xuorarch: 17.Qf5 should be played, not 17.Qh5...
15.Rxg7+ Kxg7 16.Qg4+ Kh8 17.Qh5? f5 18.Bxf5 Kg7
and Black's king escapes via f6.
|Apr-15-08|| ||DarthStapler: I kept thinking Bxh7+|
|Apr-15-08|| ||Pianoplayer: (FSR) that guy Geller is a world class player?. Man How did he make it... -Pianoplayer|
|Apr-15-08|| ||parmetd: don't be ridiculous pianoplayer all the best players make blunders too.|
|Apr-15-08|| ||234: Monday puzzle <18. ?> Apr-14-08 Dake vs A De Burca, 1935|
|Apr-15-08|| ||wals: Static Evaluation: White is down a pawn. Black has doubled pawns on the f file.
Black has castled. White apparently not. Piece material is even.|
Dynamic Evaluation: With the g-file half open,Black is subject to check by the Rg1, and a check by Bd3.
Black has little to offer in the way of defence.
Abstract Assessment: Rg1 takes g7+. King takes g7
Queen checks on g4, King flees to h8. Queen moves to h5, pawn moves to f5, or B to e4.,
should be no problem there.
If Bxh7+ Kxh7, Qh5+ Kg8 Rg3,Qd7, Rg3, Qxg3, QxQ. not so clearcut.
Reasonable moves: Rxg7, Bxh7,
15. Rxg7+ ...Kxg7 16.Qg4+ ...Kh8 17.Qh5 should be enough for this puzzle.
Got it, (sigh of relief
Analysis by Fritz 11:
1. (#5): 15.Rg1xg7+ Kg8xg7 16.Qd1-g4+ Kg7-h8 17.Qg4-f5 Bc6-e4 18.Bd3xe4 Nb6-d5 19.Qf5xh7#
2. (1.18): 15.Bd3xh7+ Kg8xh7 16.Qd1-h5+ Kh7-g8 17.Qh5-h6 g7-g6 18.Rg1-g4 f6-f5 19.Rg4-h4 Qd8xh4 20.Qh6xh4 Ra8-c8 21.Ra1-c1 Nb6-d5 22.e3-e4 Bc6-b5 23.Rc1xc8 Rf8xc8 24.f2-f3 Nd5-e3 25.Ke1-f2 Ne3-c2 26.e4xf5 Nc2xa3
|Apr-15-08|| ||Smothered Mate: Perhaps black should have played 13... f5 (stopping e4)
If 14. Bxf5 Bxg2 15. Rg1 Bc6
If 16. Rxg7+ Kxg7 17. Qg4+ Kf6 and black escapes.
|Apr-15-08|| ||PinnedPiece: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: Geller had victories against eight world champions during his illustrious career. In this game he looks like he could get beaten by NN.>
As NN personified, I'm sure Geller playing me would have gone 14 Qd5 and kept up the pressure.... I probably would have responded |
and he would have been looking good.
|Apr-15-08|| ||xrt999: this is interesting, why is it that whenever a Geller game appears in the puzzles, it is one of his losses?|
I mean, the guy has over 2,200 games in the database, and only about 300 losses.
|Apr-15-08|| ||xrt999: < Pianoplayer: (FSR) that guy Geller is a world class player?.>|
< Man How did he make it... ->
Because he is one of the greatest chess players who ever lived
Any more brilliant questions?
|Apr-15-08|| ||krpvksprv: I couldn't believe, Geller, the "Fischer slayer" fell for this trap. Wonder if he was in time trouble...hmn...But, it's too early in the game.|
|Apr-15-08|| ||krpvksprv: <xrt999> I agree with you. Geller has played some spectacular games in his time and should be shown more instead, like this memorable game vs. Fischer. He played Fischer's own weapon against him and he won is an excellent form: Fischer vs Geller, 1967|
|Apr-16-08|| ||TheaN: 2/2
This week's Tuesday puzzle is more of finding the right moves to finish than to see the combination itself:
15.Rxg7+ is forced and a mate in 5
15....Kh8 16.Rxh7 Kg8 17.Qg4#
15....Kxg7 16.Qg4+ Kh8 (Kh6 17.Qh4+ Kg7 18.Qxh7#) 17.Qf5 (Qh5 runs into problems) Be4 18.Bxe4 with 19.Qxh7#
|May-01-15|| ||ToTheDeath: Rxg7!+ and just like that the game is over. A+ miniature.|
|Oct-21-16|| ||clement41: After 15...Kxg7, 16 Qg4+ Kh8 (...Kh6 Qh4#) 17 Qh5 leads to forced mate. But if 17 Qh4?? Then black escapes with 17...f5|
|Oct-21-16|| ||clement41: Let me correct my flawed prior kibitz. If 16...kh6 then 17 qh4+ kg7 18 Qxh7#
If 16...Kh8 white needs to be accurate with Qf5! as Qh5 allows ...f5 Bxf5 Kg7 Qxh7+ Kf6 and black s king escapes|
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