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|Jul-09-12|| ||camenes: No points for me today. I didn’t consider 32...Qxe7.
Too much for a Monday.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||sevenseaman: <Caissas Clown> <Anyone else also look at Qg6?> |
If it is any consolation, I did look at 31. Qg6. Hmmm....how much time to dismiss it? Well maybe a few seconds.
To my mind its the kind of vicinity move that everyone must have considered.
|Jul-09-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <poszvald>:
I'm afraid that winning the bishop isn't enough to win unless you see how to follow up. Since 31. ...♖e7 attacks the rook on a7, while the queen remains under attack on c4, it is necessary to calculate a response that doesn't leave White down the exchange, as would happen with a timid queen retreat.
|Jul-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: There is one error in my solution:
31. Qxc4 Re7 32. Rxe7! Kxe7 33. Ng6+ Kd6 <34. Qxf7> is best and not 34. Re6+ fxe6.
0.95 out of 1 today.
|Jul-09-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <Caissas Clown, <sevenseaman>>:|
Strangely, I didn't even glance at 31. ♕g6 long enough to note that it was possible. In fact, no move other than the text ever crossed my mind.
Chessic intuition can produce some paradoxical effects at times. :-D
|Jul-09-12|| ||Oxspawn: 31. QxB
If… 31 …….bxQ
Then 32. Rf7 is mate
Neither QxN (32.Qf7 ++)
(32. Rf7 Qxf7
33. Qf7++) helps.
But what is the answer to:
31. … Re7
32. RxR bxQ
33. Rf7+ Ke8 and I don’t see a good way to continue the attack
32. Ng6+ QxN (not 32. f6xN 33. Qg8++)
33. Qxf7+ (?) RxQ
34. RxR+ Ke1
And I don’t see a good line for white, since the other rook only comes into play if the knight moves and if the knight moves then the king can take the other rook, and the queen sacrifice seems to be in vain.
32. Qxb5 seems very weak. I am missing something obvious (Karpov tunnel syndrome). Will go and look and hope Geller did not resign immediately after 31. QxB which I am sure must be the required move.
|Jul-09-12|| ||Oxspawn: Oxspawn: OK. Thanks <Lost in Space>, <Abdel Irada> and others I see the line is <31...Re7 32. Rxe7 bxc4 33. Nd7+ Rxd7 34. Re8#>. My visualisation is defective.Although I 'saw' that black would play bXQ, in my mind's eye, I now only had one rook, not two rooks on the same file.|
By the way, for those who have been kind enough to ask, it is because I pawn oxen. A thankless task especially at the end of the week when people fail to redeem their animals and I have to clear up the mess. The males are the worst. I am often up to my knees in bullsh--. So it is a relief to come here on a Monday morning and find there is none of that around.... Oh? What's that you say?
|Jul-09-12|| ||whiteshark: <31.Qxc4>, and that's it.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||zb2cr: 31. Qxc4 does it. There are many short variations, such as 31. ... bxc4; 32. Rxf7#. The hardest to see is 31. ... Re7; 32. Rxe7, Kxe7; 33. Qc7+, Ke6; 34. Nd7+, Kd5; 35. Nb6+, Nxb6; 36. Qc5#.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||James D Flynn: Obviously bxc4 is answered by Rxf7#, however Black can now 31....Re7. The answer to that is 32.Rxe7 then bxc4 is answered by 33.Nd7+ Rxd7 34.Re8#. If 32...Qxe7 33.Ng6+ fxg6 34.Qg8#. If 32...Kxe7 33.Qc7+ Ke6 34.Nxf7+ Kf6 35.Nxg5 with a winning material advantage.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||awfulhangover: Quickly saw 31.Qxc4 wins a piece, but looked for something nastier :-)|
|Jul-09-12|| ||kevin86: The bishop was protecting against the mate so it MUST be removed-even at the slight cost of a queen.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||Max of Tat: I truly do not understand Black's last two moves in this game. It's almost like he wanted to force Karpov to beat him. (Not that Karpov would need any help.)|
|Jul-09-12|| ||chrisowen: At quick again ar good a keg queen did come garcon enter in ko d3 |
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|Jul-09-12|| ||Alex56171: One doubt: the longest line (31.Qxc4 Re7 32.Rxe7 Kxe7 33.Qc7+ Ke6 34.Qc6+ Rd6 35.Nc4+ Kf6 36. Qxd6#) takes six moves. Is it a monday puzzle?|
|Jul-09-12|| ||dragon player: A queen sac:
Time to check.
|Jul-09-12|| ||master of defence: <Alex56171> You´re brazilian?|
|Jul-09-12|| ||hrobert5: I saw the 31. Qxc4 immediately; but the end took a few minutes longer. (I don't sweat black responding Re7)|
31. Qxc4 Re7
32. Qxf7+ Rxf7
|Jul-09-12|| ||Herma48852: 31. Qxc4 and black cannot recapture due to 32. Rxf7#. Took a while to notice that the c4 Bishop was guarding f7 as I knew my initial choice of 31. Rxf7 would have been too easy even for a Monday.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||offramp: <Manic: <offramp> You made a similar post 7 years ago xD. Of course, Geller obliged with ...Bc4 but it was already a tough position for him.> OMG you are right! I thought I had checked! No harm done, as the two posts are both EQUALLY FAB!!|
|Jul-09-12|| ||RookFile: Well Geller was already dead before ....Bc4, and he and Karpov knew it.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||The Last Straw: got 31Qxc4 but forgot to consider Re7. You people win.|
|Jul-09-12|| ||BlackSheep: <hrobert5> that line is not mate because of 33...Ke8 but after 34.Bg8 I dont think black can defend against Nc6 adequately without the loss of too much material e.g. Rd7 (a free rook) and Qe7 (Rxe7 what else?) are the only 2 moves to stop mate .|
|Jul-09-12|| ||Peligroso Patzer: Several comments from earlier in this thread are quite disparaging of Geller’s play, which they characterize as incomprehensibly weak. As far as the denouement is concerned, Geller’s objectively worse than dubious <30. … Bc4??> can probably be attributed to either or both of two alternative explanations. He may just have been extremely short of time, or he may have known he was lost and simply decided to play one more move to take a flyer on the slim chance that Karpov would overlook the Queen sac.|
What, after all, can Black do after <30. Qd3>, attacking the b5-pawn? Black can hardly entertain the slightest hope to survive if White gets three connected passers, and there is no satisfactory way to defend b5. (If <30. … Rb8?? 31. Nd7#> is “strong” for White; some might say, “outright winning”.)
|Jul-09-12|| ||TomOhio: 31. Qxc4 Re7
32. Ng6+! Qxg6
33. Rexe7! Qe6
34. Rxf7+ Ke8
I really like that Knight move on 32 better than all the others posted.
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