|Aug-13-05|| ||ughaibu: Geller sacrifices his queen for a rook and two pawns, sure he has a lead in development and black has problems finding a way to castle without losing a further piece but it's a heavy investment nevertheless. I cant help feeling black could have put up more of a fight.|
|Aug-13-05|| ||beatgiant: <ughaibu>
<black could have put up more of a fight>
Very interesting problem. The best improvement I found so far is 18...Nf6 19. c5 Ne4 20. cxd6 Qb7 21. Rea1 Nxd2 22. Nxd2 Ke6, which appears to hold.
|Aug-13-05|| ||Anastasia: my 10cents 18..nf6 19.c5 ne4 20.cxd6 qb7 21.ne5+|
|Aug-13-05|| ||beatgiant: <Anastasia: my 10cents 18..nf6 19.c5 ne4 20.cxd6 qb7 21.ne5+>|
Another interesting problem after your line above followed by 21...Ke6 22. Rea1 Nxd2 23. d7+ Kf5 24. Nxf7 Qxd7 25. Nxh8 Nxb3, and now what does White have?
|Aug-13-05|| ||ughaibu: After 18....Nf6 19.c5 Ne4 how about 20.Ba5?|
|Aug-14-05|| ||beatgiant: <ughaibu: After 18....Nf6 19.c5 Ne4 how about 20.Ba5?>
If Black responds to the above line with 20...Qb7 21. c6+ Qxc6 22. Rxc6 Kxc6, White comes out with an extra pawn, although it doesn't look like an easy win (Black's pieces are well placed). |
Black can also try going crazy (again following the above line) with 20...Bxh2+!? 21. Nxh2 Qf4 22. c6+ Ke6 23. f3 f5 24. c7+ Kd7 25. fxe4 dxe4 and Black can stir up complications, although White is probably ahead here.
|Aug-14-05|| ||ughaibu: Beatgiant: in either case, if that's the best black has, it seems Geller's judgement in sacrificing the queen was sound. Quite remarkable.|
|Aug-14-05|| ||beatgiant: <ughaibu>
Yes, after looking at a few lines, I don't have any doubt about the soundness of White's attack. White's clearly never in any danger of losing. However, I don't claim <that's the best black has>, only the best I can find.
I think the main candidates for improvements are moves 18, 19 and 20. I also considered 18...f6, 19...Nf6 and 20...Bxh2+. Here are a few lines (all starting from the actual game).
18...f6 19. Rea1 dxc4 20. Ra7 cxb3 21. Rxc7+ Bxc7 22. Rb1 Ne7 23. Rxb3, again reaching a pawn-up ending that's hard to win.
19...Nf6 20. c5 Bxh2+ 21. Nxh2 Rc8 22. Nf3 Ng4 23. g3! threatening Bf4, and I don't see a reasonable defense!
19...Nf6 20. c5 Bxh2+ 21. Nxh2 Qb8 22. c6+ Kc8 20. Rea1 Qb2 21. Bf4! Qxf2+ 22. Kh1 Kd8 23. Bd6, and there's no defense to the mate threat!
20...Bxh2+ 21. Nxh2 Ne7 22. Ba5 Qb7 23. Rae6 Re8 (can't find anything better!) 24. c6+ Nxc6 25. Rxe8 Qb3 26. R8e3 and Black's down too much material.
|Aug-14-05|| ||Anastasia: <beatgiant> i wuz thinking 18...Nf6 19.c5 Ne4 20.cxd6 Qb7 21.Ne5+ Ke6 22.Rc6 Nxd2 23.Rc7 Qa6 (i guess) 24.Nxf7+ Kf6/f5 25.Nxh8. and then the simpsons came on.|
|Aug-15-05|| ||ughaibu: Anastasia: that line looks good but what if black varies with 22....f6 or 24....Ne4?|
|Aug-15-05|| ||beatgiant: <Anastasia> On the suggested 18...Nf6 19.c5 Ne4 20.cxd6 Qb7 21.Ne5+ Ke6 22.Rc6, Black can start pushing back with 22...f6 and it looks like White is overreaching.|
|Aug-25-06|| ||ughaibu: How about 16....Qd8? If pushed the queen can go to b8, maintaining contact with the bishop and keeping the rook off a8.|
|Aug-25-06|| ||tud: 17Ba5|
|Aug-25-06|| ||ughaibu: and after 17....Bb8?|