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Josef Klinger vs Igor V Glek
"Clinging to Dreams" (game of the day Nov-28-2015)
Werfen (1990), Werfen AUT, rd 5
French Defense: Exchange Variation (C01)  ·  1-0


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Oct-20-10  Daodejing: I saw this game, when it was played. I lived in Salzburg and started chess this year. Joseph Klinger was my hero then. A young austrian GM - we only had Robatsch and him at this time. Klinger was very talented and promising in the mid 80ies, but leaved chess for poker in the 90ies. I spoke to Vlastimil Hort in Horgen, Switzerland 1995 and he said, that if Joseph Klinger would have grown up in the Sovietunion, he would has become a Super GM.


Oct-20-10  Andrew Chapman: If 23..Qh5 then how about 24.Qe4 Qxe2 25.d5xe6 which now threatens Qxa8 and it's not obvious to me that the game is over yet.
Oct-20-10  alexrawlings: <Once>, just wanted to say I loved your post today, keep up the good work! :)
Oct-20-10  desiobu: Black threatens Qg2# or Qf3# so it's either Qe4 or do something really forcing...

24. Qc8+ Rxc8 25. Rxc8+ Nf8 26. Rxf8+! Kxf8 27. Bc5+ and Re8#

Oct-20-10  scormus: <Once> very fitting post. Like all old friends, the troubled waters of life might cause them to split but then they'll reunite .....
Oct-20-10  Patriot: <agb2002> <Black threatens 24... Qg2# and 24... Qf3#.>

You made me realize something. I saw the 24...Qg2# threat and thought 24.Rg1 would prevent the mate, but it just shows I'm not looking at ALL the threats before coming up with candidate moves. This is a subtle but very important part of a good thought process. 24.Qe4 would have been a nice candidate to keep in mind there.

This problem came up in a rated game last night. I saw that by pushing a pawn, my opponent was threatening to push further and so I put a rook on the semi-open file and prevented the pawn push. However, that pawn push did something else. It took away the only escape square from my knight and he was now also threatening g2-g4. There again, I didn't consider ALL the threats. I was relieved when he did not play it. After the game I showed him the position on my Monroi and asked "Why didn't you play g2-g4?" He said "Oh...I didn't see that!"

Anyway, I saw the winning sequence, starting with 24.Qc8+ and so never came back to defending against mate. But then again, why worry about being mated if you can deliver it first?

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  whiteshark: Black was surely dreaming of a mate on g2 or at least winning rook on c8 when <26.Rxf8+> came as a bold out of the blue.
Oct-20-10  k.khalil: I should've calculated a little bit further. I missed it??
Oct-20-10  Prelate: Like several other kibitzers, I spent several moments ruminating on the back rank mate, but digestion proved elusive so I switched to some kind of defensive move, which proved so insipid I spat it out again and returned to chewing the cud. Finally, the juices did their work and I saw black's defenses dissolve in the brutally acid attack starting 24. Qc8+ and ending with 27.Bc5+ Kg8 28.Re8# (as other more able kibitzers then I have explained in detail)

This finish reminded me of the advice given by my old Ju-Jitsu grand master. "Keep punching someone in the same place and the brain eventually gives up" (He was more sciencey, but you get the idea)
Here Black, after repeated punches to the solar plexus, collapses wheezing - having run both out of breath and out of pieces.

Oct-20-10  Sydro: Nice! I am usually bad at calculating several moves so when I got to Nf8 Rxf8+ Kxf8 Bc5+ I thought at first that it would not win because of Ke8. But then I saw that the rook on e2 would cut off the e8 square for the king after the bishop moves. It feels satisfying for a novice chessplayer like me to actually get a puzzle right! :)
Oct-20-10  bonniekathosh: Nice forced combination finish!
Oct-20-10  njchess: I got this one. Though like many, I too thought things ended for White with Black's 25. ... Nf8.
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  agb2002: <Patriot: <agb2002>


Anyway, I saw the winning sequence, starting with 24.Qc8+ and so never came back to defending against mate. But then again, why worry about being mated if you can deliver it first?>

I would like to know how the count of games decided this way is distributed depending on the rating of the players :-)

Oct-20-10  jimmyjimmy: I enjoyed the poem quoted earlier by "Once." It is actually a song by Simon & Garfunkel and the appropriate title of their boxed-set compilation. They are indeed old friends. Paul Simon frequently referred to himself as a poet rather than a musician.
Oct-20-10  LIFE Master AJ: 24.Qc8+!! (Nice sack.)
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  kevin86: Wow! I saw the first back rank threat,which failed. The second one,that I didn't see,succeeded.
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  kevin86: A checkmate to the MAX,if not from the Max.
Oct-20-10  MaczynskiPratten: Who says the Exchange French is dull!

There's a lot more to this position (or rather, the position a move before) than meets the eye. Kudos to <phonybenoni>, <Once> and <Andrew Chapman> for their contributions. Lots of clever "angles of attack".

After 23...Qh5, 24 Qc8+? Nf8! seems to lose - White has no time to capture the a8 Rook. But 24 Qe4 Qxe2 25 dxe6 Rd8 26 exf7+ Kxf7 27 Rc7+ looks pretty good for White; Black may get mated, or lose the Queen to a discovered attack if his King goes on to a black square.

Oct-20-10  Naugh: Qc8 suggested itself instantly.
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  Phony Benoni: <Daodejing> Thanks for your insights about Josef Klinger.

<"Klinger was very talented and promising in the mid 80ies, but leaved chess for poker in the 90ies.">

After seeing this game, I can believe it.

Oct-20-10  sethoflagos: <<Andrew Chapman:> If 23..Qh5 then how about 24.Qe4 Qxe2 25.d5xe6 which now threatens Qxa8 and it's not obvious to me that the game is over yet.>

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24..Qxe2 does indeed lead to a levelish position. But consider white's problems with 24..f5.

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  Phony Benoni: By the way, after 23...Qh5 24.Qe4:

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Instead of taking the rook, what if Black plays 24...f5?

With so many mating threats, grabbing material should be on the second level of candidate moves.

Oct-20-10  GaeBulg: I saw the forced mate moderately quickly...but I spent some time looking at if black declined the sac Qc8+ with Nf8...And it took me a while to realize after Nf8, black's queen is hanging. haha
Oct-20-10  wals: Analysis Rybka 4 x 64

depth 19 : 7 min :
White blunder
Best, f3, =0.01, prevents Qe4.

depth 19 : 5 min :
Black blunder
Best, Qh5, -8.40. 24.Qe4 f5.etc.

Game over for Black.

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  David2009: J Klinger vs Glek, 1990 White 24?

24 Qc8+? is tempting but unsound: Rxc8! (24 ...Nf8?? 25 Qxh3 1-0) 25 Rxc8+ Nf8 26 Rxf8+ Kxf8 27 Bc5+ Re6! 28 Rxe6 (or dxe6) and now 28...Qf1 is checkmate. Meanwhile Black threatens Qg2 mate.

Instead 24 Qe4 Nc7 25 d6! (not 25 Rxc7?? Qf1#) Rxd6 26 Bb6! wins the Nc7 since 26...Rxb6? 27 Qxa8+ Nxa8 28 Re8#. The immediate 26 Qxa8?? is a terrible blunder: 26...Nxa8 27 Rc8+ is not checkmate because of Qxc8. Time to check:
What on earth is going on??

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J Klinger vs Glek, 1990 White 24?

All is clear on playing through the game - after 27 Bc5+ Re6 fails to block the check so is illegal. Meanwhile 24 Qe4 is well met by 24...f5! (no need to move the N) and it is White rather than Black who loses the Queen.

An example of "chess blindness" - I don't know how one guards against it.

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