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|Feb-02-06|| ||Sami Jr: Would 27 Rhg3 not be a more effective move for white? I am curious about this move though I do not have Fritz for analysis. Would this move not give better prospects for the f7 pawn. In the actual game, the promoted pawn got traded for a knight and white lost his strong hold in the upper right corner. Would 27 Rhg3 not maintain the pressure for mate a lot sooner and at least trade the soon to be promoted pawn for a castle at the least. I am interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on this; perhaps I have overlooked something.I could use all your brilliant minds here! I appriciate all your coments and am learning much from the kibitzing.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Eatman: while Nd5 is very thematic I think if you consider how long the rest of the game took, this was a bit too hard for a Thursday puzzle.:)|
|Feb-02-06|| ||flamboyant: i tought about Nd5 but didnt explored it that much, didnt knew how to prolonge the attack, a bit difficult for thursday but good puzzle anyway|
|Feb-02-06|| ||VinnyRoo2002: What kind of puzzle is this? The solution starts on move 25 and goes all the way to move 50? Did Gurevich even play the ending as well as possible? I'm just wondering if the solution to this puzzle is a win for white.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||chessgames.com: This was supposed to be the Saturday puzzle for a "Tate week" we were preparing, but somehow it slipped into this week's rotation.|
This was a very hard puzzle, but perhaps it is not as hard as the game would indicate, since 27.Rhg3 wins much more easily than the 27.a4 that was played. For instance, on 27.Rhg3 Rh5 you can take your pick between 28.Qg8+ Ke7 29.f8=Q+ Rxf8 30.Rxf7+ , or the suggestion of Herr Fritz with 28.Rxg7! Rxh7 29.Rxh7
|Feb-02-06|| ||tjshann: Well, you have a knight sac at move 25, and when the smoke clears some 7 moves later you have a two rooks vs Queen endgame, finally settled at move 60. No problem. I got it in 3.5 seconds.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||HannibalSchlecter: Not only did I not get it, I carefully looked at the game, and I still don't get it!|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Richard Taylor: I found 25. Nd5 as I was analysing the idea of 25. Qxg7 which doesn't work partly because at some point Black can get his R to the King side so I thought after|
25. Nd5 if exd5 26. gxf7 now if Qxf7 27. Rf3 Qxf3 28. Qh8+ Ke7 29. Rxg7+ Ke6 30. Qh6+ Ke5 31. Re7+ Kd4 32. Qd2 Qd3 33. Qxd3#
Also in the above if 30. Qh6+ Qf6 31. Qh3+ Ke5 32. Qg3+ Ke6 33. Qg4+ and wins (butI didn't see this line exactly)
As played I expected: 26. gxf7 dxe4 and then 27. Qg8+ Ke7 28. Qxg7 and if Qxg7 29. Rxg7 Rf8 30. Rh8 etc (is this winning?) I also saw if 28... Rf8 29. Qxf8+!! Kxf8 30. Rg8+ Ke7 31. ff8=Q+ Qxf8 32. Rh7+ Kf6 33. Rxf8+
Basically I got the Nd5 move as White is threatening mate then; and it disrupts Black's defences. But I cant say I saw all the compelxities as played.
|Feb-02-06|| ||Richard Taylor: It took me a while to get the initial move but as it threatened mate it I became sure it was the move and so on - I saw a lot of favourabe variations but it WAS a difficult puzzle I think Tate palyed this by ear a lot and found moves after his original move Nd5 - but I knew by his moves (I think he saw a lot of what happend and is a strong player) that I was dealing with "natural" tactician though - who is this guy!! (another Marshall??!)|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Richard Taylor: Ah I see! - he "has a reputation as a swashbuckling tactitician!" Of course - he looks like pirate as well!!|
|Feb-02-06|| ||AlexBabich: hey guys
look at this picture and try to figure out what is wrong with it.
|Feb-02-06|| ||chancho: <AlexBabich> The Black Queen is on d8 and the White King is on d1. :)|
|Feb-02-06|| ||LivBlockade: <dhotts> I think Black can counter 27. ♖h6 with ♖g5 instead of moving the attacked Queen. But 27...♖g5 is not possible after 27. ♖hg3, so ♖hg3 seems stronger. What do you think?|
|Feb-02-06|| ||dzechiel: I looked at this position for five minutes (I know, because my screen saver kicked in) and while I did consider the key move, I dismissed it in favor of 25 gxf7 right away.|
My gut told me that this move was too obvious to be the key to a Thursday puzzle, but I just couldn't come up with anything else I liked (and I looked at lots of sacrifices and goofy checks and other forcing moves).
Too bad, perhaps tomorrow.
|Feb-02-06|| ||Jarlaxle: tough for a thursday.. thanks for clearing that up <chessgames> .. maybe you should put the thursday puzzle sat.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||guidomiguel: I believe alot of ppl would of thought the answer to be Nd5, but who really would have the stomach to play that move????|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Fan of Leko: 25. Nd5! The knight would be captured anyway, so it dies to cut off the rook. Not to hard to find but the position is very complicated.
A shame that white blundered with 30 Rc3? (what purpose? now he has to win all over again) After 30. Rxg7 it seems black can resign (or give spite check with queen, then resign).|
|Feb-02-06|| ||AniamL: Why 26...dxe4 ??? It seems to me like it would only helps white's bishop protect the f7 pawn. What's the threat to black after 26...Kxf7, or even Qxf7? If anything, I like black's position better! (But clearly I'm missing something.) |
I guess it's pretty clear that I TOTALLY whiffed on today's puzzle.
|Feb-03-06|| ||Fan of Leko: <AniamL>
26...Kxf7 27 Rxg7+ Qxg7 28 Rf3+ wins
26...Qxf7 is better but after 27 Rf3 Qxf3 28 Qxg7+ Ke8 29 Qxb7 white threatens Rg8+ as well as Qxa8+, along with Ba4+ (black is helpless)
|Feb-03-06|| ||AniamL: Thanks, <Fan of Leko>. I failed to see that the white queen protects the f8 square in the Kxf7 variation, and I guess my brain was just working poorly for the other. :)|
|Feb-03-06|| ||Marco65: <alefromitaly> Ciao da Milano!|
I continue in English cause I know I feel stupid when I see something in some native language I don't understand in this forum. Even if I know it's a post I'm probably not interested in.
I play 2-3 tournaments a year, but normally in North Italy. I also play in scacchisti.it, if you play there let me know.
|Feb-06-06|| ||patzer2: The positional sacrifice 25. Nd5!! gives White a decisive attack.|
|Mar-05-13|| ||Garech: Great chess!
|Oct-18-15|| ||Pulo y Gata: What a brawler. RIP, Emory Tate.|
|Nov-08-17|| ||Fusilli: Hard to believe that Tate missed 38.Qe6+ Kd8 39.Qxd6+ winning immediately. Or am I the one missing something?|
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