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|Aug-10-16|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: Since I'm far from a King's Indian expert, was 11. Ba3 allowing e4-3 theory at the time? Because that seems to be where Chucky starts going wrong, and that e3 pawn proves to be a serious thorn in white's side the rest of the game.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||Nova: This game is one of my favorites…and probably the most complicated chess game ever! Any other game that challenges as the most complicated?|
|Aug-10-16|| ||devere: We have all heard the expression "wrong rook". This is the "wrong knight" game! After 25.N(c)e7+ instead of N(d)e7+ White wins.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||kevin86: A lot of time the difference between brilliant games and error-filled ones is in the eye of the beholder, that's how chess and beauty are.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||Jim Bartle: <After 25.N(c)e7+ instead of N(d)e7+ White wins.
That's not clear at all. It's certainly better than Nde7, but I remember Seirawan did a long analysis of the variation and found some spectacular mates for black and no clear win for white.
Here Simon Williams looks at it and doesn't see a win for white:
|Aug-10-16|| ||Ironmanth: Fantastic game! I had not seen this one before. Two legendary attackers have a real go at it. Thanks for this.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||raju17: 25 Nxf4 stoppes advencement of black queen|
|Aug-10-16|| ||catlover: A real slugfest of a game.
Not sure what to think of all the references to Brussel's sprouts, though. I never liked the sulphuric-smelling things.
|Aug-10-16|| ||morfishine: I think I read somewhere that both players shrugged off the game's significance due to the time control|
|Aug-10-16|| ||JohnBoy: Killer comment - <Everett> One of the absolute most lame puns for one of the most epic games ever played.|
Also, fwiw, I miss AJs comments. However incendiary.
|Aug-10-16|| ||TheFocus: Stupid pun.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||morfishine: <TheFocus> Yes, this game title is simply inaccurate since there was no "rout" and this game was in fact a tense, close contest|
|Aug-10-16|| ||saffuna: A pun with "coup" or "failed coup" or "collapse" might work, since the 1991 attempted coup was going on when this game was played, or had just concluded.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||FairyPromotion: <Nova: This game is one of my favorites…and probably the most complicated chess game ever! Any other game that challenges as the most complicated?>|
It certainly might be. It is amazing how after 25. Nde7+, the engines give white ~ +3.5 advantage, yet when the variation plays itself out black comes on top. 25. Nce7+ is evaluated ~ +6.5, but even that is contested by many experts, and the lines are almost impossible to calculate till the end. In terms of complexity, other games that come to my mind are:
Reti vs Alekhine, 1925
Y Gusev vs E Auerbach, 1946
Bronstein vs Ljubojevic, 1973
Karjakin vs Anand, 2006
A Volokitin vs Mamedyarov, 2012
|Aug-11-16|| ||saffuna: <25. Nce7 Kh8 26. Nf5 Qh2 27. Kf1 Be5 28. Be5 which indeed leads to a draw.>|
I think the variation he showed continued 28...Rxe5 29. dxe5 Rg8.
|Aug-11-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: @saffuna
Sorry I had to make a correction so I deleted my comment.
That's why I think Ginger GM is mistaken.
25. Nce7 Kh8 26. Nf5 Qh2 27. Kf1 Be5 28. Be5 which indeed leads to a draw.
-28. de5 Rg8 29. Nde3 and now fe3 fails: 30. e6
-28. de5 Re6 29. Bc5
-28. de5 f3 29. ef3 e2 30. Ke2 Qg2 31. Kd3 Qf3 32. Nfe3 Nf2 33. Kd2 Nd1 34. Qd1
-28. de5 Rg8 29. Nde3 Ne3 30. Ne3 fe3 31. Qb7 Qh4 32. Qf3 Rg2 33. Qg2 Rg8 34. Be7 Qe7 35. Qh2 Qg5 36. Rd6 Qf5 37. Ke1 Rg6 38. Rg6 Qg6 39. Rd1
|Aug-11-16|| ||saffuna: OK, thanks.
I wish I had copied Seirawan's complete annotations when they were available, or could find my copy of Inside Chess. But I remember that he thought Nce7 still left an extremely difficult position for white.
|Aug-11-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: @JimBartle
Seirawan also gives the variation 25. Nce7 Kh8 26. Nf5 Qh2 27. Kf1 Be5 28. de5 Rg8 29. Nde3 fe3 30. e6 and sees no defence for Black:
|Aug-11-16|| ||saffuna: Thanks. Maybe I can find the printed annotations. That's all way above my level.|
|Aug-13-16|| ||maseras: 11...e4! a crushing move.|
|Sep-05-16|| ||offramp: Do you remember in Dead Poet's Society there is that graph of Importance and Quality, or something... this game is really high on that list.|
The crucialitiness of it is insurmountable, its brilliance is unassuaged. Therefore, two thumbs up!
|Sep-06-16|| ||moronovich: <The crucialitiness of it is insurmountable, its brilliance is unassuaged. Therefore, two thumbs up!>|
Yeah,2 thums up! And pants down ;)
Wish they would play the KID´s more frequently.
|Nov-26-16|| ||Saniyat24: Black may have given the move 37...Kh8 according to www.ajschess.com/lifemasteraj/best_games.html|
|Mar-04-17|| ||The Kings Domain: Probably Yusupov's best achievement. Toppling a young Ivanchuk in his prime with masterly play was quite the feat.|
|Mar-07-17|| ||offramp: <The Kings Domain: Probably Yusupov's best achievement. Toppling a young Ivanchuk in his prime with masterly play was quite the feat.>|
Ah yes! <A young Ivanchuk in his prime>!
I remember those days very well. Ivanchuk used to walk around tournament halls wearing a big pink rosette emblazoned with these words:
99 44/100% PRIME!>
The rosette was stapled to his butt-arks. Ouch!
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