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| alexandrovm: Artur just neglects his pawn losses and bishop loss and rook loss for a winning attack. Is the black attack really unstopable? |
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| Yelena Dembo: 28...Rg6 is a great move! Black understood the position very deeply! A very nice and useful game! |
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| Feb-15-06 |
| Jim Bartle: And Yelena, this game was played at rapid time controls--60 moves in 45 minutes--and under tremendous pressure: advancing to the candidates semi-final vs. Timman. On move 25 Ivanchuk simply grabbed the wrong knight (!) to move to e7. He held it in the air a moment, realizing his mistake, but it was too late. |
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Feb-15-06
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| Yelena Dembo: <Jim Bartle> I know this game for about 10 years already (since I was 12):) and like it very much still! Despite many others very nice games that were played! |
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Feb-15-06
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| notyetagm: <Yelena Dembo: <Jim Bartle> I know this game for about 10 years already (since I was 12):) and like it very much still! Despite many others very nice games that were played!> Anand gave this game his first place (10-point) vote when he was a member of a panel looking for the best game published in the first 30 years of Chess Informant. High praise indeed!
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| Feb-15-06 |
| Jim Bartle: And I think it was chosen by voters in the Informant readers poll as the #1 best game. The experts panel (where Anand voted, presumably) selected game 16 of Karpov-Kasparov 1985. |
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Feb-15-06
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| notyetagm: <Jim Bartle> Yes, this game finished second in the voting of the expert panel to the Kasparov game that you mentioned. |
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| Feb-23-06 |
| alexandrovm: <...On move 25 Ivanchuk simply grabbed the wrong knight (!)... > this happens often in chess... |
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| Mar-05-06 |
| offramp: In this position
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there is a good chess reason for preferring 25.Nde7+ to 25. Nce7+, and that is that the knight on c6 controls e5. Ivanchuk may have seen the following line: 25. Nce7+ Kh8 26. Nxf5 Qh2+ 27.Kf1 Be5
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(This great move threatens the simple 28...Bxd6 which wins for black; white has to capture with the bishop, because there is no knight on c6.) 28. Bxe5+ Rxe5 29. dxe5 Rg8
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(with the usual threat of 30. Qh1+ 31. Bxh1 Nh2+ 32. Ke1 Rg1#, so white has to get rid of the pawn on e3.) 30. Ndxe3 fxe3
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(The threat is still there. White will have to give up more material and I think there may have been a similar conclusion as in the game.) So it is possible that Ivanchuk saw 27...Be5, and saw that it was not very good for white, and so moved the other knight, since a knight check on e7 is forced. As he moved the d-knight he may have had misgivings about the move's consequences. |
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| Mar-05-06 |
| Jim Bartle: offramp's analysis is far above my pay grade, but Seirawan does give 27...Bxe5 (in analysis) the big !! and after 28. Bxe5 Rxe5 29. dxe5 Rg8, comments: "Despite being a rook, a knight, and a bishop behind, black would be ready to deliver the knockout blow 30...Qh1+ 31Bxh1 Nh2+ 32. Ke1 Rg1#. In order to stave off defeat, it would be white's turn to sacrifice everything back." |
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| Mar-15-06 |
| ChessPieceFace: being a novice player, i'm sure this game will be able to teach me things, both at my current level of play and as i develop. just wanted to thank AJ, offramp, Jim Bartle, euripidies, capanegra, etc, etc, etc, for the wonderful analysis, it helps dopes like me tons!! :) |
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| Dec-02-07 |
| noiselesion: Mate is inevitable...40.Bg2 Qf2# |
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| Dec-02-07 |
| noiselesion: ...for those who dont see it and do not want to browse through tons of kibitzing. |
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| Dec-29-07 |
| maxi: The knight jump 15. e5, aiming at taking Black’s c6 and d6 pawns, allows the placing of Black’s Queen in g5 and the creation of a kind of box around the White King. The Black Queen is then ready to pounce upon the poor King. I read in the web that Christiansen thought this was a good move. I don’t understand such an opinion, and I believe that after this the game is lost. Of course, computers love this move since they see the winning of the two pawns; what they don't see is the damn box.Let us consider the two main improvements in White's defense given in Informator 53. One is the alternative defense 25.ce7, instead of the game's 25.de7. The analysis below by <offramp> shows that it is not enough and White still perishes. (Incidentally, I had arrived at <offramp>’s line myself independently.) The other supposedly drawing line begins with 28.ce7, instead of the game’s 28. b7, but does not work either, since after 28.ce7  g8 (instead of 28...e7? 29.e7 g3 30. g1 that only draws), Black wins after 29.g8 g6, and the best White has is to start giving back material in order not to get mated. Black should win. |
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Jan-12-08
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| aazqua: This considered one of the most complex games ever played. Probably not the best place for a novice to start picking up tricks. >>
being a novice player, i'm sure this game will be able to teach me things, both at my current level of play and as i develop. just wanted to thank AJ, offramp, Jim Bartle, euripidies, capanegra, etc, etc, etc, for the wonderful analysis, it helps dopes like me tons!! :) |
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Mar-03-08
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| chancho: <"Sometimes a chess game is played at such a deep level that months, years, or even decades can go by before it is fully understood. Witnessing such a game can be, on the one hand, exhilarating, hair raising, and marvelously uplifting. It can also be a very unpleasant experience. Sometimes during the Ivanchuk-Yusupov game, I felt like a puzzled spectator at the immortal game between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseretsky."> From Winning Chess Brilliancies by Yasser Seirawan.
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| Mar-03-08 |
| Kwesi: That e3 pawn was so strong, probably worth at least a rook. |
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| Apr-26-08 |
| maxi: That is one of the beauties of chess, you have to be alert to new evaluations and interpretations. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| Andrijadj: Both players played this game under enormous pressure,there was a coup under way in the Soviet Union,and jet they manage to produce one of the best games ever...Simply brilliant! |
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| Oct-10-08 |
| Bobsterman3000: Nice use of the a1 rook by Chucky... |
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| Oct-10-08 |
| Jim Bartle: "Both players played this game under enormous pressure,there was a coup under way in the Soviet Union,and jet they manage to produce one of the best games ever...Simply brilliant!" And at a pretty fast time control. |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| Andrijadj: Yes,45 moves in one hour,or something like that... |
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Dec-03-08
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| Chessmensch: I didn't go through all the posts to see whether someone else noted this, but this game is analyzed extensively in "The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games" (Burgess, Nunn, Emms)--Game #85. |
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Mar-01-09
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| LIFE Master AJ: I have also annotated this game on one of my web pages. (http://www.lifemasteraj.com/great_c...) |
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Sep-23-09
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| whiteshark: The final stage is also annotaed here
<Latent Patterns> http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2009... |
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