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| lost in space: It took me a while to get more insights into this position. Finally I found the following lines:
29. e5 dxe5
or 29...Be6 30. Nf4 Nc8 31. Nxe6 Qxe6 32. Rd1! Kh8 33. Bc6! h6 34. Bh4 g5 35. Bxe8 Qxe8 Bg3  ; or 29...h6 30. Nb6! Qc7 31. Bd5 Kh8 32. Qxf8 Rxf8 33. Rxf8 Kh7 34. Be4+ g6 35. Bf6! 30. Nc7 Rc8
or 30..Bxb4 31. Nxe8 Qxe8 32. Qxa7
31. Bd5+ Qxd5+ 32. Nxd5
This was the condensed form I found for showing the solution of this puzzle. Time to check |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| clocked: <patzer2>
move 33 is forced mate as well
31. Qxf5 Bxf5 32. Rxf5 is not "obviously decisive" as material is even after hxg5. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: I saw 29. Ne7+,bxe7 30.Qf7+,Kh8 31.Bxe7,h6 32.Bxd6,Qxf7 33. Rxf7,Rd8 34.e5 with a good endgame for white a pawn up. However,I too had overlooked 31...Be6 which scuppers all my plans. I never even considered 29.e5!
Some variations:
29..dxe5 30.Nc7,Qxc7? 31.Bd5+ (mate in 4)
29..dxe5 30.Nc7,Bxb4 31.Nxe8,Qxe8 32.Qxa7 + -
29..dxe5 30.Nc7,h6 31.Nxe8, Qxe8 32.Bd5,Kh7 33.Qxf8, Qxf8 + - This is so complicated, I'm glad <once> posted a fritz analysis. Cheers. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| clocked: <Jimfromprovidence> after 24...f6 white has an advantage. Here is an example: 25.gxh7+ Kxh7 26.Ra3 and now if either Ne5 or Ne7, white can play 27 Rh3+! Do any of the engines find this move? |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: This combination is insane!!
After 34..Bxe7 35.Qf7+,Kh8 36.Qg6,Bf5 37. Rxf5,Kg8 38.Rf7, Bf8 39.Rxd7,Re7 40. e6,Rxe6 41.Qh7 mate OMG! what a finish to a great game. Bravo Chucky! |
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Sep-21-08
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| whiteshark: <30.Be7!> would have been a real cracker. It's disturbing the square f7 defence. Black is directly lost. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| bakuazer: although did notice e5 in the very first second or so, but could not get anywhere with it. spent some time on Ne7+ but did see that it does not work. difficult and nice one. great game by ivanchuk. |
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Sep-21-08
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| Jimfromprovidence: <clocked> <after 24...f6 white has an advantage. Here is an example: 25.gxh7+ Kxh7 26.Ra3 and now if either Ne5 or Ne7, white can play 27 Rh3+!> I really like your way of thinking, but what is the continuation to your line after both 26...Ne5 or Ne7, followed by 27 Rh3+? Please put a complete line(s) out there for scrutiny. Furthermore, there are probably additional viable moves for black than those two knight moves. What happens if black plays 26...Qd7, 26...Rb7, or for that matter, 25...Kh8 instead? |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| SouCapi: I´ve spotted in a flash the basic themes and then the moves sequence to solve todays´puzzle, so it seems that I´m improving my chess vision some how. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| Underworld: I didn't see e5, but I would've played Be7. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| clocked: <Jimfromprovidence> 26...Qd7 27.Qf2 Kg8 28.Qh4 Be6 29.Rg3
26...Kh8 27.Rh3+ Bxh3 28.Bxh3 Kg8 29.Qg2
26...Ne7 27.Rh3+ Bxh3 28.Bxh3 Ng8 29.Bf5+
26...Ne5 27.Rh3+ Bxh3 28.Bxh3 Kg8 29.Qg2
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Sep-21-08
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| johnlspouge: Sunday (Insane): Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 1996 (29.?) White to play and win.
Material: Even. The Black Kg8 has 1 legal move. White has a battery Rf1 and Qf2. The Nd5 can give check on e7 and (but for Pg7) on f6, the latter forking Qd7, Re8, and Bg4. The White Bg5 supports the N forks, so only Bg2 is inactive. The Black pieces are somewhat loose, with Qd7 burdened with support of both Na7 (which is out of play) and Bg4. Both the Black Re8 and Kg8 are required to protect Bf8 from the battery. Candidates (29.): Qf7+, Qxf8+, Ne7+, Nf6+, Be7
29.Ne7+ (threatening 29…Kh8 30.Qxf8+ Rxf8 31.Rxf8#)
29...Bxe7 30.Qf7+ Kh8 31.Bxe7 (threatening 32.Qf8+ Rxf8 33.Rxf8#) I missed 31...Be6, to save the back rank. |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| DoctorD: Has no one else commented this is a Novotny? |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| sataranj: whats the catch in 29. Ne7+ Bxe7 30.Qf7+ Kh8 31.Bxe7? |
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| Sep-22-08 |
| znprdx: Well <dghins:> you have done well: half a dozen serious responses....but the most important thing is to demystify the notion that grandmasters are so beyond you...if anything this game proves my point...Ivanchuk just made the best move by sticking to the most basic chess principles...he didn’t see much – as Nb6 indicates... he just probed the possibilities. I’m more than certain White could win with almost anything here.The secret concept in Chess is that of “synergy” (which I have often referred to). The ever changing position requires adaptation – combinations are largely linear...but winning concepts can be abstracted. OTB what counts is confidence and persistence...Carlsen will be the next world champion because of it. |
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Sep-22-08
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| Once: <sataranj> 31. ... Be6 |
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| Sep-22-08 |
| znprdx: 29. Ne7+ Bxe7 30.Qf7+ Kh8 here's a spoiler perhaps: 31.Qx[B]e7 Qx[Q]e7
32.Bx[Q]e7 and White should have an easy end game only 32...Nc8 holds for awhile. |
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Sep-22-08
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| Once: <znprdx>
Your line ends in this position:
click for larger viewWhite will have to retreat his Be7 when the back rank threat disappears for the time being. White hss the advantage of the two bishops, but I think the position is otherwise fairly level. I would rather be white, but there's not that much in it. I certainly don't think that black is just holding out for awhile. |
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Sep-22-08
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| kevin86: The first move was a very subtle vacating of the e4 square. The bishop is needed on e4 and d5 and is not in the attack-if the pawn is at e4. |
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Nov-10-08
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| notyetagm: This game is so brilliant that it is *stunning*.
In one of Franco's GAMBIT books, he gives the <!!>-notation to 3(!!!!) of Ivanchuk's moves. |
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Nov-10-08
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| notyetagm: <Woody Wood Pusher: This combination is insane!!> Indeed.
<After 34..Bxe7 35.Qf7+,Kh8 36.Qg6,Bf5 37. Rxf5,Kg8 38.Rf7, Bf8 39.Rxd7,Re7 40. e6,Rxe6 41.Qh7 mateOMG! what a finish to a great game. Bravo Chucky!> |
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Nov-10-08
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| notyetagm: This attack by Ivanchuk must surely be one of the greatest king attacks with same side castling of all-time. |
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Nov-10-08
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| notyetagm: Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 1996 |
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Aug-29-09
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| luzhin: Shame Topalov didn't play on to allow Ivanchuk the following brilliant forced finish: 34...Bxe7 35.Qf7+ Kh8 36.Bxe7 Be6 37.Qg6 Bg8 38.Rf7! Qg4 39.Qxh6+!! gxh6 40.Bf6+ and mate next move. |
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| Aug-29-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 27. ? would be a nice puzzle |
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sac: 24.g6
