|Feb-02-05|| ||notsodeepthought: Schoor one for black (ok, so my pun sucks, but even "too Schoor" wasn't that great). |
|Feb-02-05|| ||MindlessOne: too shoor of himself makes it sound as if white had won |
|Feb-02-05|| ||BlazingArrow56: I looooove to see cheap/unsound combos get crushed with precise play and unexpected moves. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||dbulger: how about 33. Kf1
what does black do to not lose heavy material?
|Feb-02-05|| ||davidleetw: i think if white move 38 Re8, then white will win the game. please give feed back whether my opinion is correct first timer posting |
|Feb-02-05|| ||euripides: <david> welcome to the site !|
I am not sure whether 38 Re8+ wins. After 38...Kg7 39 R8e7 + Black should take the perpetual as 39...Kh6 40 Bf4+ g5 41 R1e6 + forces mate. After 39 R1e7+ Kh6 40 Bf4+ g5 41 Re6+ Kh5 I don't see a win for White and Black's threats are also dangerous e.g. 42 R8e7 (threatening mate) Qxd5+ 43 Kh2 Rxd7. So White's best may be to settle for a draw with 39 R8e7+.
|Feb-02-05|| ||marekg248: Yes, 40...Kf7! must have been a surprise. Obviously white counted on 40...Rxe8 41.dxe8Q+ Qxe8 42.Nf6+ forking king and queen. Would that be enough for win? - the result is bishop vs three pawns. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||euripides: Schoor's only victory in the database, and a very nice one. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||jkiipli: <david>,<euripides> if 40...Kh5 then 41.Rxh7# but 40...g5 really seems to save black. If the rook on 8th rank couln't be taken, then white could play 41.Bxg5 and mate with Rg8+ and Rh7# (or similar lines, no escape) |
|Feb-02-05|| ||InfinityCircuit: Even after 42. Kg1 Qxe5 (Ke7 is even better) 43. Rf8+ Kxf8 44. d8Q+ White has no perpetual and is down three pawns. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||artemis: Here is the line as I calculate it: 38. Re8+ Kg7 now 39. R8e7+ Kf8 ( 39. ... Kg8 40. Re8+ Kg7 (40. ... Kf7?? 41. R1e7#) and this has been simply a repetition of moves) 40. Re8+ Rxe8 41. Rxe8+ Qxe8 42. dxe8=Q+ Kxe8 43. Nc7+ Kd7 44. Nxa6 g5 45. Nb8+ Kc8 46. Nc6 reaching a critical position. If 46. ... Kb7 47. Nxd4 cxd4 48. Kg2 Ka6 49. Kf3 Ka5 50. Be5! d3 51. Ke3 Kxa4 52.Kxd3 h5 53. h4! with a draw, as the pawns cannot pass onto the dark squares without being taken.
If 46. ... Be3 (not Bf2? where white plays 47. Kg2 Be3 48. Kf3 f4 with extra tempo.) 47. Kg2 Kb7 48. Ne5 Ka6 49. Nc4 preserving the passed pawn. 49. ... f4 50. Kf3 Bd4 51. Bxf4 gxf4 52. Kxf4, with an equal endgame for white.
Other options on move 39 for black were already analyzed and they do seem to draw as well.|
This may all be wrong, since I dont have a board with me, and I dont have my computer programs, so I would appreciate some silicon analysis of this position.
|Feb-02-05|| ||Morphystyle: Artemis, you are correct. Crafty calculated your variation with a draw in 2 seconds. 38 Re8 |
|Feb-02-05|| ||kevin86: A bit commercial but:"Raise your hands,if you're Schoor!" OR "Schoor- fire victory!"|
A great attack game-which white lost because he "wimped out" on move 38. It looked at tmes like neither player could save the game (lol).
|Feb-02-05|| ||onthebeat1971: <kevin86> My suggestion is "Win for Schoor".
Beautiful game. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||NotoriousCPD: What about 38. Be5? |
|Feb-02-05|| ||Granite: 38. Be5 loses the knight with check, then the forced bishop trade, and whites advanced pawn goes next, leaving him with a rook to blacks queen and many pawn down. It would lose quickly. |
|Feb-02-05|| ||patzer2: Being the lower rated player can have its advantages, such as in this game where Ivkov obviously passes up a forced draw by not playing 38. Re8+! as <Euripides> and <artemis> suggested. Instead, trying to force a win where there is none, Ivkov plays for a swindle and gets the just reward of deliberately inferior play. |
Of course if the intent of the Queen sacrifice at move 30 was to force a winning combination, then that was also a bad decision on Ivkov's part.