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David Janowski vs Carl Schlechter
London ;HCL 20 1899  ·  Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Morphy Attack (C84)  ·  1-0


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May-28-08
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  hedgeh0g: Got this one within seconds. Whether I could see it OTB is another matter, but chalk another one up for me!

3/3 baby!

May-28-08   TrueBlue: is it Monday again!?!?!?!? Anyone else getting bored with the queen sacrifices?
May-28-08
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  hedgeh0g: It must be groundhog day for you, <TrueBlue>. Here is your comment on yesterday's puzzle: "much better puzzle than yesterday, but it looks like a Monday puzzle."

I'd suggest doing what Bill Murray did in the film and dropping a plugged-in toaster in your bath just to make sure...

May-28-08
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  gawain: Thank you <dzechiel> for showing the finish after ...Rf6 which creates an escape square for the black K--but for one more move.

<The best try is

36...Rf6

but now white finishes black off with

37 Rh8+ Kf7 38 Rf8#>

That is a nice mating position.

May-28-08
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  playground player: Schlechter was not an easy man to beat. I saw Qxh7+ right away, but I didn't think Schlechter would take the Queen. I thought he might've found some way to wriggle out of his difficulties. So I wasted some time trying to find better moves than Qxh7, and did not find them.
May-28-08
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  TheaN: I'm gonna try myself a new setup for variation control and overall viewing of my posts, adding info, more in David's style, tbh.

3/3

Not that hard, but actually seeing the Arabian mating net is rather complex on sight.

34.Qxh7+!
White announces mate in five.

34....Kxh7
--a--Kf8 35.Qh8#

35.Rh5+

35....Kg8

36.Ng6
Threatens mate on h8. Black can only interpose the Queen, but strangely enough this does create one little trap for White.

36....Qg2+

37.Rxg2
Keeping the protection.
--a--Kxg2? Rf6
Leaving the Knight undefended. Nonetheless, in that position, White regained the Queen and wins much material with Nxe7+.

37....Rf6
Losing least material whilst postponing mate.

38.Rh8+

38....Kf7

39.Rf8#
1-0

I'm still thinking on how to use this setup for my posts with longer variations. I'll find something.

May-28-08
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  kevin86: Another queen sac and Arabian Mate this week! Holy Cow!! (a mixed religious metaphor,if I ever saw one)

BTW,what is an Arabian checkmate in real life? Answer:130 dollars for a barrel of oil---uggghhh!

May-28-08
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  YouRang: Oooh - very pretty. I wish I saw it. :-(

Instead, I went with good (but not AS good) 34.Qh6, threatening to create a Q+R battery with Rh5, or (if nothing else) taking Qxd6 creating a dangerous passed pawn.

These threats, plus having the knight to come in at g6 looked like a winning attack to me. There are a number of ways black might respond, but I didn't see any that kept him out of trouble.

For instance:
34...g6 35.Rxg6! hxg6 36.Nxg6 (threat:N(x)e7#)

34...Kf8 35.Qxh7 Ke8 36.Ng6

34...Qc3 35.Rh5 g6 36.Nxg6 (threat Nxe7++ & Rg8#) Qxf3+ 37.Kh2 Qe2+ 38.Rg2

May-28-08   MiCrooks: YouRang, sorry no points for going from forced mate to slight advantage, lol!! Black's best reply is probably Qf2 taking away the Qxh7 shot. You may have a slight advantage still, but not really enough to claim a certain victory.
May-28-08
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  johnlspouge: <<YouRang> wrote: Oooh - very pretty. I wish I saw it. :-( >

If it makes you feel better, <YouRang>, I looked hard at the sophisticated 34.e5 and then in desperation at 34.Qh6. After a few minutes, I thought to myself, yeah, 34.Qh6 probably wins, but this is Wednesday, not Friday. Finally, I went back to basics: checks, captures, and threats.

I saw 34.Qxh7+, of course, and erased my first two candidates out of sheer embarrassment.

I try to resist my Protestant work ethic at every turn. Never work harder than you have to ;>)

May-28-08
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  YouRang: <MiCrooks: YouRang, sorry no points for going from forced mate to slight advantage, lol!! Black's best reply is probably Qf2 taking away the Qxh7 shot. You may have a slight advantage still, but not really enough to claim a certain victory.>

Oh, I realize 34.Qh6 isn't as good as forced mate, but I rate it much better that a 'slight advantage'. In fact, I'd call it winning.

If black plays 34...Qf2 as you suggest, it does prevent Rh5, but it also removes a defender of g7, forcing both black rooks to guard g7).

That's where 35.Qxd6! comes in, which (1) threatens to win a rook with 36.Qd8+, and (2) creates deadly connected passers. After the queen returns to h6 (37.Qh6), these pawns will march and create havoc for the black rooks, starting with 38.e5 (threat:e6 winning the trapped Rf7).

Anyway, I wouldn't feel bad about playing Qh6. It misses the quick win, but I'm pretty sure it gets there eventually -- which is why I settled for it once I found it.

May-28-08
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  YouRang: <johnlspouge> BTW, 34.e5 was also my first instinct. I had to step through the sequence of exchanges several times before I convinced myself that it didn't really help me. :-)

Taking advantage of the pinned g7 pawn with 34.Qh6 was my 2nd (and, as it turned out, final) instinct. :-|

May-28-08   dycotiles: This is a really beautiful puzzle. I missed 36.Ng6 completely!
May-28-08   baseballplayer: I looked at Nf5 winning the exchange and with accurate defence I believe white can win with the rook for the night.
May-28-08
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  johnlspouge: <<YouRang> wrote: <johnlspouge> BTW, 34.e5 was also my first instinct.>

I found 34.Qxh7+, because I love tactics based on little P pushes. I know they rarely provide the final tactical stroke, however, so when 34.Qh6 did not work, I decided I was being far too fancy. I recalled the best advice I ever had from a teacher (an evening school art teacher, Xiao), which was, "Whenever you get into trouble, go back to basics."

In chess, the basics are: "Examine <every> check, capture, and threat"...

May-28-08
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  Once: The winning line jumped out of my memory for this one - possibly aided by yesterday's arabian mate pattern.

Memory aside, I think there are two ways to work out combinations like this one - check all the forcing moves or look for weaknesses to exploit.

The forcing moves are fairly easy to spot. Rxg7 leads nowhere as the g7 square is protected four times. So then we look at the forced sequence 34. Qxh7+ Kxh7 35. Rh5+ Kg8. Now if a protected rook could land on h8 it would be mate. How can we engineer this? Let's look at Ng6, when there is nothing that white can do to prevent Rh8 followed (after Rf6) by Rf8.

That is when we notice the helping hand offered by the pawn on d5, which stops the king from escaping via e6.

So much for examining forcing lines. Could we work out the solution by looking at the features in the position? Black's problems are a weak h7 (only defended by the king) and dreadful congestion along the seventh rank. The black queen and bishop are out of play. White's trumps are the doubled rooks on the g file (although this point is well defended) and the advanced queen and knight. That ought to suggest an attack on h7, which does indeeed turn out to be the answer.

Truth be told, I think that most people will spot this either by remembering it or by asking the "what if" question. What if I play Qxh7+?

May-28-08   xKinGKooLx: 3/3. Wow, what is wrong with me? I DID see the solution in the end, but it took me about 10 minutes to find it! I was staring at the position, and I was thinking to myself, "It can't be THAT hard can it, it's only a Wednesday puzzle!" I was getting rather frustrated, and then I just suddenly saw it. I guess it was because the solution is quite unusual. Good puzzle!
May-28-08   sfairat: Same here, xKinGKooLx. Took me an embarassingly long time - about 10 minutes to solve this one.
May-28-08
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  dabearsrock1010: My first instinct was Qxh7, but I missed Ng6, and i thought e5 might be a good move but didnt try to calculate many lines since im lazy and guessed it was e5. its pretty nice puzzle because vacating the f7 square after Ng6 does not work because of white pawn covering the e6 square.
May-28-08   Terry McCracken: <TrueBlue: is it Monday again!?!?!?!? Anyone else getting bored with the queen sacrifices?>

Is this trolling? It looks like it.

You fail to see the beauty of this puzzle if you're serious about what you said.

Queen sacrifices can happen any day of the week.

May-28-08
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  YouRang: <johnlspouge><...so when 34.Qh6 did not work, I decided I was being far too fancy. I recalled the best advice I ever had from a teacher (an evening school art teacher, Xiao), which was, "Whenever you get into trouble, go back to basics." >

A good rule indeed, although in my case, it didn't really apply because I figured that 34.Qh6 DID work. :-)

Of course, there's the old adage: "if you find a good move, look for a better one", which I clearly didn't do. But then again, I'm not so sure that even this old adage is applicable in the case where you believe that your "good move" is in fact winning.

May-28-08
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  johnlspouge: <<YouRang> wrote: [snip] I figured that 34.Qh6 DID work. :-)>

Toga II 1.3.1 gives

[ply 15/63, time 04:52, value +3.41]

34.<Qh6> Qd4 35.Qxd6 Re8 36.e5 Kh8 37.e6 Bxe6 38.dxe6 Qxd6 39.exf7 Rf8 40.Rxg7 Qd8 41.Rg8+ Rxg8 42.fxg8Q+ Qxg8 43.Rxg8+ Kxg8 44.Ng2 Kf8 45.Nxf4 Ke7 46.Kg2 Kd6 47.Nd3 a5 48.f4 a4

...and as usual, your judgment was pretty good :)

May-29-08
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  MostlyAverageJoe: <johnlspouge: Toga II 1.3.1 gives [ply 15/63, time 04:52, value +3.41 >

Bad news: this puzzle needs way more than 15 plies. Slide down the proposed lines a couple moves, then back, and you should see a completely diferent best move 34 for black. Repeat, and yet another move surfaces. And this branching happens a lot, and then the engine starts dumping hash, so the analysis starts running in circles. I had to add this game to my engine-killer collection.

Good news: <YouRang> was correct, indeed. Qh6 wins handily, with backslid evals > 5.00. This may not be obvious in multi-PV mode unless one actually descends into the possible continuations (Hiarcs, for example, seems to almost give up on alternate lines if it finds mate in the best one).

May-29-08
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  johnlspouge: <<MostlyAverageJoe> wrote: <johnlspouge: Toga II 1.3.1 gives [ply 15/63, time 04:52, value +3.41 > Bad news: this puzzle needs way more than 15 plies.>

It is always a pleasure to have you there, <MAJ>. Someone needs to keep us amateur chess-engine jockeys honest. Thanks.

May-30-08
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  patzer2: For the Wednesday, May 28, 2008 puzzle solution, White takes advantage of the blunder 33...Rff7?? (33...Rf6! is likely winning) by sacrificing the queen for mate with 34. Qxh7+!
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