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Jan-11-05
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| kevin86: Marshall was far from the greatest,but as an attacker,he can handle the big irons with the best. |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| Castle In The Sky: 8. f1?? Why couldn't black move 8. bd2 or 8. d2? I agree this game is highly instructional on leaving a poorly protected king in thecenter. |
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Jan-11-05
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| artemis: <azi> you are right on the principles, but you have a slight misapplication of them in this game. Black does move his queen pawn twice, but he makes three pawn moves in the opening, and so does white. He follows Steinitz's princpile of taking away advanced squares for the knights with d6 (albiet briefly), then gives his bishop freedom with d5. Your mention of the Bd6 move is interesting, as there has been a large debate over time regarding the correct placement of this bihsop. As a result, Nc6 was adopted instead so that black does not loose a tempo. The bishop's second move is sound, but after Nc6 Bb4+ is much better. Concerning the attacking before development, there are so many exceptions to that rule that when I teach chess, I dont tell it to my students, since it is one of those dogmas (like bihsop is better than a knight!) that can only lead to chess ruin. While he has few pieces developed, the justification for his attack, on principle of course, since the result should be enough justification, is that he has much better development, with his bishop and knight working towards similar goals, a rook on an open file against an opponent who cannot prevent its intrusion without playing passively, a centralized king to attack, a Queen with a large range of attack, and of course his name is Marshall, which for him was justification enough to attack. As to whether or not I would find Qxf3, I would probably not if the petroff was part of my opening repetoire, but without it i would say that it is a coin flip. I would probably find it but dismiss it due to a miscalculatoin. |
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Jan-11-05
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| AgentRgent: <Castle In The Sky: Why couldn't black move 8.bd2> Janowski tried just that the following year. Janowski vs Marshall, 1913 |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| Castle In The Sky: <AgentRgent>Thanks for the game! A true battle of the exposed kings with a perpetual check and no less exciting than today's game. |
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Jan-11-05
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| notyetagm: When it comes to just tactics, no one and I mean no one was better than Marshall. If you want to see pure unadulterated tactical wizardry, check out Marshall vs Chigorin, 1905. |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| noone2: I don't think 8 Kf1 is too bad.
After 8 Kf1 0-0 9 Qc2 Re8 - how about 10 Be3 threatening Ne5 i.e 10 ... Nc6 11 Nc3 N:c3 12 b:c3 and I would think white is fine. |
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Jan-11-05
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| notyetagm: Wow, this game is an incredible stream of tactics from Marshall! I particularly love 20 ...  8e3!, exploiting the <lateral pin> along the seventh rank: 20 ... 8e3! 21 fxe3?? g2+ 22 f1 xc2+ 23 g1 xc1+ 24 f2 xh1, winning a whole rook.Then the game ends elegantly with the <removal of the guard> tactic 23 ... xc2! 24 xc2 g6#. |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| bugsy: This is indeed a wonderful tactical game! Qxf3! It's easy to miss that! |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| marcus13: I think the very beginning of white's problems is 7.c4? usually white play first 7.O-O 0-0 and only then 8.c4 which is one of the main line of the Petroff. |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| akiba82: 20...R8e3 although clever was actually inaccurate. Quicker was 20... Rc2 21.Rc2 Re6 and Rg6# to follow. Or 20... Rc2 21.Re1 Re1+ 22.Be1 Rc1 or Rc6. |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| Knezh: Why not continue 8. Nd2? Kf1 looks suicidal |
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| Jan-11-05 |
| DanielBryant: The last move should be mate. |
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Jan-13-05
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| notyetagm: An elegant stream of tactics from Marshall: 12 ...  xf3!!, 20 ... 8e3!, and 23 ... xc2!. |
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| Jan-13-05 |
| aw1988: Note 13. gxf3 fails to Bh3+ Kg1 Re1 with mate.
And also 21. fxe3 Rg2+ with a deadly discovered check the very next move. |
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| May-03-05 |
| woodenbishop: Marshall (though not entirely consistent) could be absolutely deadly sometimes. |
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| Feb-15-06 |
| MorphyMatt: 20... 8e3!! is great. |
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Feb-15-06
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| notyetagm: When I got into a debate last month with <LMAJ> about Marshall's very best tactical moves, 12 ... xf3!! from this game was one that I had in mind. |
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| Feb-15-06 |
| you vs yourself: <notyetagm> 12...[Q]xf3 is an ! move. These days, it'd be an obvious move in standard time control games. But in Marshall's days, he didn't have the chance to drill these kinds of tactics as much as we do. But 12...Qxf3 is not deep enough for !! in any era. <patzer2> I saw 14...Bh3 too. But I like Marshall's way of finishing the game, as I got to see 20...R8e3! |
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Feb-15-06
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| notyetagm: <you vs yourself> Yes, you are probably right. But it sure is pretty! |
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| Mar-19-06 |
| Spohn: 20...R8e3 may be pretty but its not even the best move. Simply 20...Rxc2 followed by 21...Re6 will mate with 22...Rg6# |
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| Feb-13-08 |
| DarthStapler: My Chessmaster program has this game ending after 22... Rf6 and white resigns |
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Apr-30-09
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| blacksburg: hmmm...this looks familiar...i feel like i've seen this before. |
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| Sep-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Marshall had the attack instead |
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Oct-11-09
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| hedgeh0g: Marshall does not let up! He's like a Rottweiler in this game with the initiative and rightly so - one inaccurate move on his part would have been answered by consolidation from his opponent. |
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