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Mar-06-05
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| Gypsy: Senor Capablanca's blunder in this game handed Nimzovich the latter's greatest triumph -- Carlsbad 1929: 1. Nizovich (15/21), 2-3. Capablanca & Spielmann (14.5), 4. Rubinstein (13.5), 5-7. Becker Euwe & Vidmar, 8. Bogolubov, 9. Gruenfeld, 10-11. Canal & Mattison, 12-15. K.Treybal Tartakower Maroczy & Colle, 16-17. Saemisch & Yates, 18-19. Johner & Marshall, 20. Gilg, 21. Thomas, 22. Menchik. |
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| Jul-27-05 |
| ILoveThisSite: Didn't Nimzovich once lose to Samisch and jump on the table and yell "Why must I lose to this idiot?" I'll bet Nimzovich wasn't calling him an idiot after this game. |
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| Aug-31-05 |
| elh: It's fine to _say_ that Capa should have resigned, but look how tenaciously he fights it out. Something about the really great players -- if you made a mistake against them, you were toast, but they could blunder horribly and you still had to play many sharp moves to win. I think one of Morphy's contemporaries pointed this out about him. |
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| Aug-31-05 |
| RookFile: Question: When do you resign?
Answer: When there is no reasonable
hope of defense or a swindle.
Question: Did Capa have hopeless situation here?
Answer: No, he was on life support,
of course, but it wasn't completely hopeless. |
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Aug-31-05
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| chancho: I admit that Capablanca fought as hard as humanly possible to save this game.Most Masters after losing a piece resign the game right away, unless there are chances on the board that enable the master to play on.But losing a piece without any compensation and against a Grandmaster at that,and hope to win the game is a hopeless undertaking.If Saemisch had lost a piece in a game against Capa I doubt he would have played on. |
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| May-18-06 |
| s4life: <If Saemisch had lost a piece in a game against Capa I doubt he would have played on.> But Saemisch is not Capa, Capa was not just another GM and he sort of proved his point of not resigning by dragging the game till move 62. |
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May-18-06
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| keypusher: <keypusher: To be fair to Capablanca re playing on, this loss ruined his chances of winning the tournament.> This is incorrect; the game occurred early in the tournament. It was this second defeat that ruined Capa's chances: Spielmann vs Capablanca, 1929 |
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| Nov-12-06 |
| mack: Winter returns to the 'mystery woman' in CN 4712: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/ |
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Nov-12-06
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| Calli: Although there is nothing new, it is nice to have all the accounts gathered in one Chess Note. Basically, we know that something happened but don't know what it was. |
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| Nov-12-06 |
| mack: <Basically, we know that something happened but don't know what it was.> Source? |
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Apr-05-08
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| whiteshark: As usual Capablanca was moving fast in the opening. Then he stood up to watch the other games. When he returned after <10.Qa4> he didn't stand up anymore during the rest of the game (7 hours). |
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Apr-05-08
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| veigaman: Capablanca showed his inmense talent and why he was a champion. |
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Apr-05-08
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| whiteshark: This games was played in round 16 (on Aug 19, 1929)
At 09:00 hour Sämisch made his 1st move.
Then he waited for Capablanca who wasn't there. nervousness began to grow more and more. 55 minutes later the dressy Capablanca arrived in the tournament hall, shake hands with Sämisch and went to the tounament director from whom he gets some post. Back to the board he looked vaguely to the clock and started reading the letter only to make his 1st move at the last second. "This cold-bloodedness nearly drove me to desperation" ("Über diese Kaltblütigkeit war ich der Verzweiflung nahe") confessed Sämisch afterwards. "During the seven hours I (Sämisch) went through scared stiff about not winning this game" ("durchlebte ich eine Höllenagst, die Partie nicht zu gewinnen"). |
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Apr-05-08
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| Calli: <whiteshark> thanks for info! Source? |
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Apr-05-08
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| whiteshark: <Calli>
Theodor Schuster
<Die großen Schachmeister der Zwanziger Jahre: Schicksale berühmter Schachmeister, wie sie kämpften, siegten und unterlagen; die Neuromatiker von Reti bis Nimzowitsch>, Franckh, Stuttgart 1976, Seite 54-55 |
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Apr-05-08
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| Calli: A long title! Where did Sämisch did publish the story? I wondering because E. Winter gives only accounts from Esteban Canal and Hans Kmoch. |
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Apr-05-08
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| whiteshark: <Calli> No further sources were given in the 'Schuster' book. |
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Apr-05-08
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| Calli: Must be the reason Winter did not include the Sämisch account. Anything from Fritz about "the mysterious woman"? |
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| Apr-06-08 |
| MichAdams: <Must be the reason Winter did not include the Sämisch account.> It's also conceivable that Winter hasn't read every chess book ever printed. |
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Apr-06-08
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| Calli: Hardly, it is the readers who quickly fill gaps in Mr. Winter's knowledge/library. It seems that most of the world's chess historians read Chess Notes. |
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Apr-06-08
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| whiteshark: <Calli: Must be the reason Winter did not include the Sämisch account. Anything from Fritz about "the mysterious woman"?> No, nothing.
Just a thought:
Assuming Sämisch/Schuster are right, than Capablanca arrived late, moved quickly and blundered by oversight. Apart from bad luck by own fault it's also unsportsmanlike. The other story gives a reason why the infallible 'chessmaschine' Capablanca failed. Reasons aside the chessboard. Sounds more like a myth to me. A bit Latin machismo to keep the secret of blundering. |
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Apr-06-08
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| Calli: <whiteshark> I agree. The public likes simple minded explanations. Alekhine blunders- he must be drunk. Capa loses - too many ladies. Capablanca, putting his other behaviors aside for the moment, admitted the mistake to Mattison in the tournament book. He simply thought that he had already castled. The only thing that remains is the source of Sämisch's account. |
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| Dec-24-08 |
| WhiteRook48: silly Capablanca |
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| Mar-09-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 9...Ba6??
9....Ne7 is relatively better |
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| May-14-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 63....b1=Q 64 Qga8+ Kb6 65 Qdc6# |
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