Nov-30-07
 | | talisman: after karpov's 19th move, kasparov offers a draw.karpov asks kasparov to make his move.kasparov moves 20.Qh4. now karpov accepts the draw.my question is...is the draw offer still on the table? does kasparov have to offer a draw again for karpov to accept.it seems to me, after kasparov's move karpov has to offer the draw and kasparov can accept or decline....just curious. |
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Nov-30-07
 | | keypusher: Yes, as far as I understand the rules. You're not supposed to offer a draw until you've moved (though GMs seem to violate this rule all time), so Karpov was within his rights to force Kasparov to move and then to accept the draw after he saw the move. Here's a famous and controversial case where the offeror may have wished he could withdraw his offer after he played his move: Keres vs Petrosian, 1962 |
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Nov-30-07
 | | acirce: <The draw rules are largely ignored by professional players. This is why I introduced (and still lobby for) a phisical device to indicater that a draw has been offered, to alert the public, and especially the arbiters. At my request, Kasparov and Kramnik used it during the 2000 World Championship match. I hope FIDE will adopt it for use at the next rule revision (2008). It is a serious problem, especially with Kasparov who would often offer a draw on his opponent's time. Not to cause trouble, but it was just that sometime he couldn't make up his mind whether to offer one until after he had made his move. We used to go crazy right after each draw, having to have a press officer (usually me) run after the players to ask who offered the draw. It is also important for spectators, who often wonder why a player is taking a long time to make an obvious move. I've been lobbying for a draw flag for over 20 years, and in 2008 it might happen because Stewart REuben is in favor. I don't know or care what American TD's think, they don't use the real rules of chess and their perverse rules have not been used anywhere, but I might ask the organizers of the US Championship to consider it, just for the benefit of those watching online.> -- Eric Schiller, Apr-02-06 in the Kibitzer's Café. |
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Nov-30-07
| | talisman: THANKS <keypusher> and <acirce> i understand much better now. |
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| Jun-30-09 | | Knight13: <karpov asks kasparov to make his move.> What's his problem? It's a drawn position! Hell, like Kasparov would play Rf5 on move 20. |
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| Sep-09-11 | | Psihadal: <Knight13: What's his problem? It's a drawn position! Hell, like Kasparov would play Rf5 on move 20.> Only an idiot would accept a draw offer before the opponent makes his move, even in GM level. |
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