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Jan Timman vs Anatoly Karpov
Belfort World Cup (1988), Belfort FRA, rd 11, Jun-27
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Van der Wiel Attack Bishop Hunt (B12)  ·  0-1


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Mar-07-06  hayton3: The aggressive Nc3 g4 of the 'advance' variation of the Caro-Kann dismantled.
Aug-20-06  MUG: Perhaps Timman should have been able to draw this endgame. 47.Rh7 was the way to do it.
Apr-04-07  M.Laine: I think beginning of end was:Losing g4 pawn,and then other pawn -2 pawn.It is too much for endgame.

Rook and pawn endgame against Karpov..
Timman made mistakes too easily!

Dec-18-08  Bondsamir: It seems that Timman studied this variation and wanted to suprise Karpov with new ideas within, but for his hard luck Karpov's intuition was very sharp.
Dec-18-08  Woody Wood Pusher: wow great game
Dec-18-08  hackmate: Van der Wiel Attack Bishop Hunt. An easy name to remember.
Feb-07-09  Fiberking: Karpov must have had some serious time trouble, for his 38... Rf8 much prolongs the game, where 38... f2 immediately decides (if white goes 39. Rf4, then 39...Rf8). This , while 'Guess the Move' gave me a minus 1 for 38...f2!

Anyway, typical Karpovian game. Icy cool, clean cut defense. Cannot help but think that Timman missed something somewhere in the early middle game though.

Feb-07-09  euripides: <Fiber> if <38...f2> doesn't White play 39.Re4+ followed by Rf4 ?

Karpov's approach to development in this game is quite attractive. I must try leaving my KR and KB at home more often and see what happens.

Jun-19-11  ycpl: Why not 1... Nxg6?
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  g15713: Black to move at 46

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According to FinalGen, a chess endgame tablebase generator for Windows, one now knows this position is a draw. Those with Lomonosov Endgame Tablebases for 7 pieces can verify this. Game continuation went:

46...Kd5 47.Rd7+ Ke5 48.Re7+ Kf5 49.Rf7+ Kg6 50.Rf4? (50.Rb7 still draws)

50...Kg5? (50...Re5 wins) 51.Ra4 (51.Re4 also draws) 51...a5 52.Ke2 Rf5

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  g15713: White to move at 53

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Karsten Muller and Yakov Konoval in their eminent 2016 chess book, <Understanding Rook Endgames>, verified that the initial position is drawn. - see page 151 diagram 4.7.04

Game continuation went:

53.Ra3? (53. Rc4 or Rd4 or Ke3 draws) 53...Kg4
54.Rc3 h5 55.Rc8 h4 56.Rg8+ Rg5 57.Ra8 Kg3 58.Kf1 Kf3? (58...Rb5 wins) 59.Rc8! Ke3 60.a4? (60.Rc4! draws) Rg4 61.Rc5 h3! (Not 61...Rxa4? since 62.Kg2 is a Vancura's draw) 62.Re5+ Kf3 63.Rh5 Kg3 64.Kg1 Rxa4 65.Rg5+ Kh4 66.Rc5 Rg4+ 67.Kh2 a4 68.Rc3 Rg2+ 69.Kh1 Rg3! 70.Rc4+ Rg4 71.Rc3 Rb4 72.Ra3 Rg4 73.Rc3 Kg5 74.Kh2 Rh4 0-1

Black to move at 69

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Muller says according to <Informator 45> 69...Rg4 was played.

However conferring with and as well as this is the correct game continuation with Black's 69...Rg3 was played.

Black has to watch out for stalemate trick of 69...Rg4? 70.Rxh3+!! Kg5 71.Rf3! draws.

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  g15713: Black to move at 72

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72...Rg4?? (72...Kg4 or Kg5 wins)

73.Rc3?? (Now 73.Kh2 draws or as above note 73.Rxh3+!! Kg5 74.Rf3! draws)

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