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Anatoly Karpov vs Garry Kasparov
Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Moscow URS, rd 7, Sep-28
Tarrasch Defense: Classical. Carlsbad Variation (D34)  ·  1-0
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Apr-29-11  Rama: Elegant maneuvering by Karpov following 18. Bxd5 .... A joy to watch.
Apr-29-11  bronkenstein: <Elegant maneuvering by Karpov following 18. Bxd5 .... A joy to watch>

Dimitrije Bjelica , one of the journalists reporting from the match , says that 18. Bxd5 struck all the GMs (analysing in the press room )like a lightning , they practically didnīt consider the possibility of white giving away his fianchetto bishop ,playing against the strongest attacker of that time in addition.

But Kasparovīs decisive mistakes came later on , in the time trouble... After Bxd5 white , eventually , has slight edge .

May-27-11  M.D. Wilson: An unlimited games format was as big a disaster for WC chess as it was for Karpov in 1984. Had this been a traditional "first to 12 points" match, Karpov would have wrapped up the affair by game 20 with the crushing score of 12/8, without Kasparov winning a single game. He would have thus remained WC until at least 1987, where, presumably, Kasparov would have qualified again. Still, by 1987, there's no guarantee of a Kasparov victory, given how closely matched they actually were. Certainly if the 1984 match was of the more rational variety, Kasparov would not have benefited from 40+ free chess lessons from the strongest player, and best teacher, of the era, and may not have overcome Karpov for quite some time.
May-28-11  bronkenstein: Another possibility , Kasparovīs ego is destroyed by this devastating loss , he turns to alcohol and then commits suicide after being eliminated in the next cycle quarters By Gulko (with zero again , needless to say ) in their famous 1986. match.

Gulko is OFC eliminated by Sokolov in semis , and Karpov farms the latter easily in the WC match. In few years , Kasparov is remembered only by few chess historians , and his mother.

Jun-01-11  M.D. Wilson: And yet another one of Botvinnik's predications was wrong.
Sep-04-11
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  Big Pawn: Karpov easily outclasses Kasparov in this game. This was just a crush.
Sep-04-11  Petrosianic: Thanks for telling us who won the game. I was unclear on that, and neither the scoresheet nor any of the previous coments made it clear. Who was playing White, by the way?
Sep-05-11
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  Big Pawn: < Petrosianic: Thanks for telling us who won the game. I was unclear on that, and neither the scoresheet nor any of the previous coments made it clear. Who was playing White, by the way?>

Thank you for sharing this valuable information.

Sep-05-11  Petrosianic: It was a question, not information. So, if you don't know who was playing White, how do you know which player outclassed which?
Sep-06-11  Zugzwangovich: Is all this sarcasm really called for?
Sep-06-11  Petrosianic: Yes, and if you don't get it in 30 minutes, it's free.
Sep-06-11  Zugzwangovich: <Petrosianic: Thanks for telling us who won the game. I was unclear on that, and neither the scoresheet nor any of the previous comments made it clear. Who was playing White, by the way?> Sorry for sticking my two cents in. My take on this comment/question is that you were telling Big Pawn you take issue with his assessment that Karpov "easily outclassed" and "crushed" Kasparov in this game. Am I spot on or full of it?
Sep-06-11  M.D. Wilson: Slippery as an eel, Petrosianic, like your idol.
Sep-06-11
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  Big Pawn: <Petrosianic: I was unclear on that, and neither the scoresheet nor any of the previous coments made it clear.>

<Petrosianic: It was a question, not information. >

The above quote from you is "information" [sic]. Thanks - I knew you would see it my way.

Jun-25-15  Everett: <
Sep-04-11 Petrosianic: Thanks for telling us who won the game. I was unclear on that, and neither the scoresheet nor any of the previous coments made it clear. Who was playing White, by the way?>

An eminently douche-like post, this quote above.

Jun-25-15  Petrosianic: No, no, your post wasn't that bad, it was merely pointless. I'll prove it to you. You tell me what the point is of posting something that anybody can see on the game's scoresheet? I'll bet you can't. People slam The Focus for posting too many quotes, but how much worse would he get it if he went around posting who the players in the game were.
Jun-25-15
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  TheFocus: <Petrosianic> <People slam The Focus for posting too many quotes, but how much worse would he get it if he went around posting who the players in the game were.>

Oh great, now I can't do that.

I thought I would get another couple of thousand posts that way.

Jul-11-15  Everett: <n-25-15 Petrosianic: No, no, your post wasn't that bad, it was merely pointless. >

Double-down doucheness. Well done

Mar-25-16  mhand: I think that move 37b5 lost the game.37Qf7 protecting b7 indirectly and attacking the white rook too was more better and probably extends the battle for a while.
Mar-25-16
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  plang: Kasparov gave up the Tarrasch after his two losses early in this Match but I am not sure any other top GMs had the ability to defeat this defense the way Karpov did.
Mar-25-16
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  perfidious: Matter of fact, no-one else managed to win against Kasparov's Tarrasch:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Mar-25-16  Everett: <memberMar-25-16 plang: Kasparov gave up the Tarrasch after his two losses early in this Match but I am not sure any other top GMs had the ability to defeat this defense the way Karpov did.

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memberMar-25-16 perfidious: Matter of fact, no-one else managed to win against Kasparov's Tarrasch:>

These guys were both booked up and deadly with White. Even against each other. Kasparov struggled to find a sound defense once Karpov switched to d4 (and c4 as well), and Karpov saw his Nimzo and Ruy smacked around a bit. And just like you two indicated, these guys used those same openings against everyone else and did just fine. Better than fine actually.

Mar-25-16  morfishine: Karpov at his prime
Mar-26-16
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  offramp: <mhand: I think that move 37b5 lost the game.37Qf7 protecting b7 indirectly and attacking the white rook too was more better and probably extends the battle for a while.>

That is a very good suggestion. Welcome to the site, BTW. I am sure you'll enjoy it here, as I have!

Sep-15-18
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  HeMateMe: white's iron grip on the e file decides the game. Maybe Kasparov has weakened his position by advancing his kingside pawns--his Knight had no good outpost. His Queen never got back in the game.
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