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| tatarch: This has been a favorite of mine for a long time-- few other games demonstrate the power of space so well. It's probably been mentioned in a previous post, given the "home prep" discussion above, but Kasparov had this to say of the position after 19...Bd6: "A position for which I had aimed in my preparatory analysis! Black has achieved obvious advantage. White scattered his minor pieces about on either flank and are quite unable to coordinate, the placement of the knights being particularly depressing. But Black has the wonderful duo of Bf5 and Nd3 which completely paralyzes all three White major pieces - a very rare occurrence in a practical game!" From Kasparov: New World Chess Champion. Home prepped or not, its still a very impressive victory. |
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Nov-05-08
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| Bishoprick: Why do I get the feeling that all K-K games posted on chessgames.com end in a win for Kasparov? |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| arnaud1959: <Bishoprick: Why do I get the feeling that all K-K games posted on chessgames.com end in a win for Kasparov?>
Just the game of the previous day was a K-K game ended in a win for Karpov!! |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: 28.d6 seems to begin a losing plan for Karpov. He should have just sat tight, although his position is passive, it seems defensible and there is no quick win for black. 28.h3,Qd4 29.Kh2,Be4 30.Bxe4,Qxe4 = seems a better way to go IMO. |
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Nov-06-08
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| Eyal: <Jimfromprovidence: 21...g5 could have been met head-on with 22 h4 [...]
If 22...g4 then 23.Qxh6. if 23...gxf3 ,then 24.Qg5+. After 24...Bg6 then 25.Rxd3 (the bishop is pinned.)> 22.h4 g4 23.Qxh6 <Bxg3> 24.fxg3 gxf3 25.Qg5+ Bg6 26.Rxd3 f2+! 27.Rxf2 (27.Kxf2?? Ne4+) 27...Re5! and now either 28.Qxe5 Rc1+ 29.Rf1 Rxf1+ 30.Kxf1 Bxd3+ and Bxb1, or 28.Qxf6 Qxf6 29.Rxf6 Bxd3 30.Nd2 Rc2 31.Nf3 Rxd5/Ree2. <Woody Wood Pusher: 28.d6 seems to begin a losing plan for Karpov. He should have just sat tight, although his position is passive, it seems defensible and there is no quick win for black. 28.h3,Qd4 29.Kh2,Be4 30.Bxe4,Qxe4 = seems a better way to go IMO.> In this line, 29...Bh5 seems much harder to meet than Be4 - 30.g4 is very weakening; 30.Rd2 N7e5 or 30.f3 Re3 also look rather bad for White. (I'm not saying 28.d6 is a good move, but at that stage Karpov's position was already very difficult.) |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| nelech: "The sharp 22h4 would have been met by 22...Ne4!23Be4 Be4 with a very strong attack " Kasparov |
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| Eyal: <"The sharp 22h4 would have been met by 22...Ne4! 23Be4 Be4 with a very strong attack" Kasparov> Yeah, this seems to be a better suggestion than 22...g4, because in that case White can also play 23.Be2 instead of Qxh6. |
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Nov-06-08
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| KingG: <Everett> <As far as the extension of home prep, Kasparov had seen the position on the board up to the late 20th or early 30th moves, not simply getting the knight to d3.> Do you have any evidence for this? Considering White's play isn't at all forced I would find this very hard to believe. |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: <Eyal> <In this line <28.h3,Qd4 29.Kh2,Be4 30.Bxe4,Qxe4 =>, 29...Bh5 seems much harder to meet than Be4 - 30.g4 is very weakening; 30.Rd2 N7e5 or 30.f3 Re3 also look rather bad for White.> Bh5 seems natural, but I think after <29..Bh5 30.Rd2,N7e5> 31.f4?!,gxf4 32.Rxf4,Qe3 33.Re4,Qa7  IMO I think after <29..Bh5 30.Rd2>, Bg6 is best because the b1-h7 diagonal seems more important, keeping an eye on e4. Unless I am missing something...
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Nov-06-08
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| Eyal: <Woody> <28.h3,Qd4 29.Kh2,Bh5 30.Rd2,N7e5 31.f4?!,gxf4 32.Rxf4,Qe3 33.Re4,Qa7 Unless I am missing something...> 33...Nf3+! 34.Bxf3 Qxf3 and White cannot avoid heavy material losses. |
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Nov-06-08
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| Jimfromprovidence: <Eyal> <22.h4 g4 23.Qxh6 <Bxg3> 24.fxg3 gxf3 25.Qg5+ Bg6 26.Rxd3 f2+! 27.Rxf2 (27.Kxf2?? Ne4+) 27...Re5! and now either 28.Qxe5 Rc1+ 29.Rf1 Rxf1+ 30.Kxf1 Bxd3+ and Bxb1,> This is the position after your above line.
click for larger viewI see black gaining a bishop vs. two-pawn advantage, but is it enough to win? |
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Nov-06-08
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| Eyal: <Jimfromprovidence> I think Black's winning chances are pretty good, since White would have trouble defending both a2 and the d-pawn, as well as getting the knight on a4 into the action. But in any case, this line is probably not critical to the evaluation of the game, since - as was mentioned above - White may improve with 23.Be2 instead of Qxh6, and Black before that with 22...Ne4 (Kasparov's suggestion) instead of g4. |
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| Jimfromprovidence: Eyal> <...But in any case, this line is probably not critical to the evaluation of the game, since - as was mentioned above - White may improve with 23.Be2 instead of Qxh6, and Black before that with 22...Ne4 (Kasparov's suggestion) instead of g4.> Ok, fair enough.
After 22…Ne4 23 Bxe4 Bxe4, then 24 hxg5 could be white’s best play.
click for larger view Black has the advantage, but there's plenty left to done. |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| njchess: This was a great game for Kasparov, especially given the competition. By the 17th move, the very ugly Nab1, Karpov is already tied up in knots and adrift. It must have been excruciating for him to have to play this one out. Moves 18 to 35 must have seemed like a torture session as he flailed about trading pieces unable to dislodge the knight on e3 until finally, in last ditch effort, he does so with his queen. But, by then, it was way too late. |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: <Eyal: <Woody> <28.h3,Qd4 29.Kh2,Bh5 30.Rd2,N7e5 31.f4?!,gxf4 32.Rxf4,Qe3 33.Re4,Qa7 Unless I am missing something...> 33...Nf3+! 34.Bxf3 Qxf3 and White cannot avoid heavy material losses.> 33..Nf3+! <nice spot!> I need to think again LOL |
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| Nov-06-08 |
| Brown: <Everett, KingG> It seems this quote <...but Kasparov had this to say of the position after 19...Bd6: "A position for which I had aimed in my preparatory analysis! Black has achieved obvious advantage. White scattered his minor pieces about on either flank and are quite unable to coordinate, the placement of the knights being particularly depressing. But Black has the wonderful duo of Bf5 and Nd3 which completely paralyzes all three White major pieces - a very rare occurrence in a practical game!"> has been exaggerated a bit, eh? |
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| Jan-12-09 |
| jovack: backrank threats are not to be underestimated and must be recognized while the early midgame is still playing out |
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May-23-09
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| nasmichael: As far as creative games are categorized, I appreciate the masters sharing which among the oceans of games are their favorites, and why. I was reading a book from Bronstein about creative play, and there was a book by a French player categorizing 'most creative' play along several category lines. Difficulty, Liveliness, originality, richness, correctness, degree of concealment, and unity of logic. The chess enthusiast, Francois le Lionnais, suggests this. (From Bronstein's <<Chess in the Eighties>>, p.30 |
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| Jun-22-09 |
| Goldengab: For all LOST fans who maybe have already found it: this is actually the game Locke wins as black when unlocks the Marvin Candle message.
Monitor says: Checkmate! You win
but right one was: Karpov resign! |
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| Aug-27-09 |
| mastermind7994: look at black's position is full of resources |
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| Sep-19-09 |
| cbpatzer: I am sure we will be seeing more quality stuff like this in the upcoming rapid match. Official site is http://www.matchkarpovkasparov.com/... , reports are expected at http://previews.chessdom.com/kaspar... and Chessbase. |
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| Oct-21-09 |
| aazqua: The quote:
"A position for which I had aimed in my preparatory analysis! Black has achieved obvious advantage. White scattered his minor pieces about on either flank and are quite unable to coordinate, the placement of the knights being particularly depressing. But Black has the wonderful duo of Bf5 and Nd3 which completely paralyzes all three White major pieces - a very rare occurrence in a practical game!" is spot on. Kasparov had such immense chess knowledge. Just an incredible game where black gives away a pawn to achieve a dominating series of minor piece advantages. Karpov just can't get out and eventually must give back the pawn and more. |
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| Oct-21-09 |
| Riverbeast: After this game, the refutation of black's gambit was found Instead of 12. O-O, white's best was 12. Be3! Bxe3 13. Qa4+! And Kasparov's surprise opening went into the dustbin of theory |
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| Jan-04-10 |
| mjmorri: One year later, Karpov had a chance to test the refutation , but still muffed it. Karpov vs Van der Wiel, 1986 |
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| Jan-05-10 |
| mjmorri: By the way, Kasparov was not the first to play this gambit: Boudy Julio (2194)
Lebredo Gerardo (2248)
Capablanca Memorial 1974
1.e4 c5
2.Nf3 e6
3.d4 cxd4
4.Nxd4 Nc6
5.Nb5 d6
6.c4 Nf6
7.N1c3 a6
8.Na3 d5
9.cxd5 exd5
10.exd5 Nb4
11.Bc4 b5
12.O-O bxc4
13.Re1+ Be7
14.d6 Be6
15.Nxc4 Rc8
16.Qa4+ Qd7
17.Qxb4 Rxc4
18.Qxc4 Bxc4
19.Rxe7+ Qxe7
20.dxe7 Kxe7
21.b3 Be6
22.Ba3+ Kd7
23.Na4 Kc6
24.Rd1 Nd7
25.f3 Kb7
26.Kf2 Rc8
27.Rc1 Rxc1
28.Bxc1 Kc6
29.Bb2 g6
30.Bd4 Kb5
31.Nc3+ Kb4
32.Nb1 Bf5
33.Bc3+ Kc5
34.Nd2 Kd5
35.Ke3 Bc2
36.Bb2 Nc5
37.Ba3 Nd7
38.Ne4 f5
39.Nc3+
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