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|May-11-12|| ||scormus: Neat finish. Yesterday and today allow me to save face for the week.|
<Caissas Clown: ... Kasparov saying that he expected Karpov's blunder of RCD8>
Quite remarkable, but yes I can imagine it as Kasparov's style. I don't know about Alekhine as his hero, times I think it might have been Marciano ;)
|May-11-12|| ||sevenseaman: Funny how Kasparov remembered the similar Alekhine move from Alekhine vs Colle, 1925, a game played 60 years earlier and expected Karpov to duplicate it. |
Not calculation ability alone, elephantine memory is a big part of survival at the highest level!
|May-11-12|| ||James D Flynn: 23.Qxd7 Rxd7 24.Re8+ Kh7 25.Be4+ g6 26.Rxd7 Ba6 27.Bxc6 if Qxc6 28.Rxf7# and White threatens Ne5 . Black can play Bc4 to protect the pawn on f7: 27…..Bc4 if 28.Ne5 Be6 and Black wins material and the game may be drawn. 27…Bc4 28.Bd5 Bxd5 29.Rxd5 and White has 2 Rs and a N for the Q and should win the endgame.|
|May-11-12|| ||Sneaky: <Kasparov saying that he expected Karpov's blunder of Rcd8> Emil Joseph Diemer was convinced that he had some special kind of chess-ESP that enabled him to predict his opponent's blunders. I doubt Kasparov was suggesting paranormal activity, though.|
|May-11-12|| ||Caissas Clown: Thanks , Sneaky - after seeing his photo in your link , I'm inclined to believe him . OTB , he would not need to predict MY blunders - I'd forfeit!:-)|
|May-11-12|| ||geeker: The infamous "Blunder of the Century", which position I've seen too many times by now.
Funny thing: the first time I played through this game, I "predicted" (and would have imprudently "played") the very same 22...Rcd8??|
|May-11-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 23.QxR/d7, seen it before ...|
|May-11-12|| ||mistreaver: So, the week of world championship games continues.
Unfortunatelly, i am not familiar with this game, and i will
have to rely purely on my playing strength.
So let's see, the solution to this puzzle should combine back rank mate threaths with
loose position of black's D7 rook.
Glancing at the position, my first two ideas are 23 Bxf7+ and 23 Re8+.
Let's see if any of them are any good.
23 Bxf7+ Qxf7 Forced, else black loses his rook.
Now it seems everything is defended, so that's not it.
23 Re8+ Rxe8 Forced, since if black king moves to h7, Be4+ is deadly.
What can white now play. He can sacrifice bishop, but that is no good, or take the rook
24 Qxd7, which attacks both bishop and rook
but then the reply:
looks quite strong.
So i have not made any progress so far.
Hmm, what should white play, knight moves are not good.
Perhaps sacrifice the queen? I am surprised i have not considered this move earlier.
23. Qxd7 Rxd7 (only sensible reply)
24. Re8+ Kh7
25. Be4+ g6
Now white has 2 rooks for a queen and seemingly superior position. I think that is about it,
i see no further resources, time to check and see what happened.
Nuts, i failed to see final continuation, which would have given full solution to the problem. If only i had played it throught the board, i would surely have got it, but i consider my method as more benifitial.
However, i got first 4 moves correctly, therefore i think 0.5/1 evaluation for today would be righteous.
|May-11-12|| ||scholes: Cant believe Karpov made such a stupid blunder when even i can calculate from 23 Qd7 to 28 Qf7#|
|May-11-12|| ||King Death: I agree with <kamalakanta> and <maxi>, Lasker had a pair of big brass ones and wasn't afraid to take chances when he felt that they were justified. He was as shrewd as they ever came and for Fischer to call Lasker a "coffeehouse player" is just another of his comments that makes me laugh. Fischer could play like almost nobody ever has but as a human being there isn't any comparison between him and Lasker.|
|May-11-12|| ||ajk68: I think Karpov chose the wrong plan at 16...Nxd5. This allowed Kasparov to create an uncomfortable attack on the c6 knight and a7 pawn.|
|May-11-12|| ||poachedeggs: The most difficult part of this puzzle was the continuation after Karpov's resignation...LOL...|
|May-11-12|| ||chrisowen: The burrito loco it rookd8 us wasted in usurp lust bets for Garry qxd7 rxd7 24.re8+ kh7 25.be4+ hey you have a cigar sir we bed in 25...g6 26.rxd7 ba6 27.bxc6 qxc6 28.rxf7 the biggest mac in depart from book it dig open dxc4 in look it esconced in variation cocky bind h4 g3 thee see lare bottle him up biblical proportions sham all square forget queen also in quad g4 sets the trap in caring for my queen rookcd8 in dinner feed f6 crossing words it hope in baby it danger in good c8 pedal it is 23.qxd7 in delve again white box in devious again the buck rogers approach inceed rook down e8+ in dock effect you cadence in ar ie sling queen off a king up and gum in be4+|
|May-11-12|| ||dragon player: I also know this game. This is the solution:
now white has two rooks for a queen, and threathens to
win the bishop, gaining a decisive advantage.
If I remember well, Karpov resigned after 25.Be4+.
Time to check.
He indeed did.
|May-11-12|| ||patzer2: After 28..Rcd8?? Karpov was indeed busted with Kasparov's 29. Qxd7!, which solves today's Wednesday puzzle by a discovered attack with check tactic to gain two Rooks and a piece for the sham sacrifice of the Queen.|
Instead of 28..Rcd8??, Black should play 28...Rdd3= or 28...Rd6=.
|May-11-12|| ||Patriot: Material is even.
23.Qxd7 Rxd7 24.Re8+ Kh7 25.Be4+ g6 26.Rxd7 looks like a winner.
I also looked at 23.Re8+ Rxe8 24.Qxd7 Re7 but I'm hard-pressed to find anything good.
|May-11-12|| ||patzer2: Correction: After 22..Rcd8?? Karpov was indeed busted with Kasparov's 23. Qxd7!, which solves today's Wednesday puzzle by a discovered attack with check tactic to gain two Rooks and a piece for the sham sacrifice of the Queen. Instead of 22..Rcd8??, Black should play 22...Rdd8= or 22...Rd6=.|
|May-11-12|| ||DarthStapler: Got it|
|May-11-12|| ||TheBish: Kasparov vs Karpov, 1985|
White to play (23.?) "Difficult"
I had forgotten this one, but now that I solved it, I remember seeing this eons ago, during the World Championship match.
23. Qxd7! Rxd7 24. Re8+ Kh7 25. Be4+ g6 26. Rxd7
So far, so forced. Now Black must lose a minor piece, either the bishop or knight; otherwise, things are even worse for Black.
If 26...Ba6 27. Bxc6 Qxc6?? 28. Rxf7#, so White is up material at the end -- two rooks and a minor piece for a queen, all else being equal.
|May-12-12|| ||kevin86: This was surprisingly easy. White gets two rooks plus for the queen and Karpov resigns.|
|May-12-14|| ||Mr 1100: Nice photo there, but I'm wondering if anyone's got any shots of Karpov and Kasparov shaking hands?|
|May-16-14|| ||maxi: Even after 22.Qg4 White's advantage is minimal. Either 22...Rdd8 or 22...Rd6, to impede the combination, hold.|
|Oct-26-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: Ahh yes, Kacnapob and Kapnob.
Those guys were good.
|Mar-01-15|| ||Mating Net: 28...Rcd8 looks so natural, hard to believe it's a blunder.|
|Dec-14-16|| ||Peligroso Patzer: A similar sacrifice of queen for rook on d7, followed by taking control of the back rank occurred in this game: Alekhine vs Colle, 1925 (as was noted previously in this thread in a post by Caissas Clown dated May-11-12; let me note BTW my opinion that “Caissas Clown” is an outstanding user name; for the benefit of those too young to remember, it’s a pun on “Cathy’s Clown”, a classic early 60’s song by the Everly Brothers.)|
In connection with Alekhine’s use of the analogous tactic in 1925, it is interesting to compare a comment I posted in this thread on Apr-06-09, as follows:
<Peligroso Patzer: A tactic similar to Kasparov's 23. Qxd7 could have occurred in one of the lines analyzed by Alekhine in his game with Black against Tartakower in the New York 1924 tournament (although Alekhine overlooked the tactic in his annotations). See my post from earlier today here: Tartakower vs Alekhine, 1924>
Given that Alekhine played the thematic sacrifice (QxR/d7) one year later, it seems possible that he saw the idea when annotating his 1924 game with Tartakower but chose to omit mention of it. I should note that I regard this as merely a possibility since the tactic in the game from New York 1924 was somewhat more complicated and was never available on the board, but rather came several moves into a variation (in which Alekhine analyzed 29. Qg4 in lieu of Tartakower’s actual 29. Qe4).
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