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|Jan-03-11|| ||jmboutiere: Black equalised in 10 moves!|
|Jan-03-11|| ||Everett: <: Black equalised in 10 moves!> And then he lost in another 47!|
|Jan-16-11|| ||Everett: Seirawan claims Karpov has a won game no matter what Kasparov plays on move 50, but it certainly isn't easy to see it.|
I think the idea is for white to exchange bishops to remove the blockade on c5. So white should try to play Bg5 at some point, threatening Bxh4 and exchanging bishops on e7. But this means that white must somehow get black to move his bishop from e7.
Instead of the game play, if black simply plays <49..R1f2 50.Rc6 Kg7 <just sitting tight> 51.Ra6> followed by Rga1 compels black to play ..Bc5 allowing Bg5 from white.
On move 50, as Seirawan states, 50..Be7 51.Rc7 really ties black into knots. With best play, white seems to win.
|Feb-02-11|| ||TheMacMan: i think that it is cheating that in the 1980s the game was suspended at move 40, and it continued the next day, it opens up to analysis teams from others and cheating, its ridiculous, i hate the kasparov karpov 1980s wc games, i know im not the only one who disagrees with that.|
|Feb-02-11|| ||TheFocus: Besides my games in the USCF and postal games, all the rest of my games were played with no adjournments. |
Try playing out two 70-move games in the same day. When one round ended, we went into the next round and when that one was done, half hour break before we concluded the first game.
No wonder I took so many draws.
|Feb-02-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <Everett: Instead of the game play, if black simply plays <49..R1f2 50.Rc6 Kg7 <just sitting tight> 51.Ra6> followed by Rga1 compels black to play ..Bc5 allowing Bg5 from white.
On move 50, as Seirawan states, 50..Be7 51.Rc7 really ties black into knots. With best play, white seems to win.>|
50...Be7 is horrible. It blocks the f7 Rook from c7. 50...Bb4 and I don't see a thing for White.
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|Feb-25-11|| ||Everett: <Ohiochessfan> it seems you are right. When playing around with the position, it's clear that Karpovs king is not safe, especially with a black pawn on h4. Since Karpov did not manage to improve his bishop position, he can't risk going for a win when his opponent is dominating the f-file and dark squares around his king. Seirawan has again proven not quite accurate.|
|Oct-11-11|| ||Jaideepblue: Video showing the final struggle from the time when Bh6 is played
|Oct-11-11|| ||AVRO38: It's a shame Karpov missed 33...Nc5! in game 24 which would have regained the title for him.|
|Aug-16-12|| ||harrylime: Well what can you say? This titanic duel pretty much encapsulates everything the collision of Karpov and Kasparov was about.|
It pretty much captures both men's styles.
What a wonderful game.
|Aug-16-12|| ||harrylime: Karpov v Kasparov is the greatest rivalry in chess history. And this game,without wishing to fall on cliche, lies very much at that rivalries' heart.|
|Feb-24-13|| ||Everett: Oct-11-11 <AVRO38: It's a shame Karpov missed 33...Nc5! in game 24 which would have regained the title for him.>|
Since Karpov missed it, what makes you think he wouldn't miss something later, especially since his whole endgame plan seemed to be flawed (a result of too much adjournment analysis?) Perhaps be would have played it better if there was no adjournment.
It is what it is.
|Mar-25-15|| ||RookFile: Perhaps the simplest reason is that Karpov was ahead a pawn.|
Position after 33. Qd1:
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Nobody would play 33....Nc5 without understanding that after
34. Qd8+ and Qxc8 black and play ....Qa1+ and retake on e5.
It's hard to even come up with a threat for white, isn't it?
|Mar-25-15|| ||Howard: "Blunder by Champion Puts World Chess Crown In Jeopardy"|
That very headline was on the front page of the NYT the day after 23rd game concluded. The well-done article had pictures of the two players, plus a diagram of where Kasparov's blunder took place, plus also a diagram of the final position.
Still remember all that, after 27 years !
|Apr-10-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: So many dreadful CRAP games have been GOTD but this has not been?|
Shameful! Chessgames.com please stop with your GOTD selections until you make this one the very next one!
|Aug-05-15|| ||Zhbugnoimt: 53...Qf6 54.Bg7+! Qxg7 55.Qxf3 Qxc7 56.Rxg6 1-0 is an alternative to the game.|
|Dec-12-15|| ||Domdaniel: <TheMacMan> - < i think that it is cheating that in the 1980s the game was suspended at move 40, and it continued the next day, it opens up to analysis teams from others and cheating, its ridiculous>|
First, it wasn't just the 1980s -- adjournments were the norm for more than 100 years before that.
Second: in the absence of engines, 'cheating' isn't such a big deal.
But most important: try not to condemn the practices of past generations just because you're not used to them.
|Dec-12-15|| ||zanzibar: <<Domd> First, it wasn't just the 1980s -- adjournments were the norm for more than 100 years before that.>|
Yes, this is true. But there are (many?) instances of historical tournaments where it was understood that no analysis was to be made while away from the board.
E.g. some of the early adjournments were for dinner, and the game was expected to be concluded before the players went to bed.
|Dec-12-15|| ||Domdaniel: <Zanzibar> Yes indeed -- I remember hearing about highly principled players in previous generations (Botvinnik? Sir George Thomas?) who refused to look at their own games during the adjournment period.|
I'm not certain that it was ever 'understood that no analysis was to be made', but certainly many players acted as if this was the case.
I played in tournaments with adjournments myself in the 1970s. I can't recall ever doing anything useful with the time.
|Dec-12-15|| ||RookFile: Beautiful play by Karpov in this game. 53. Bh6! was a terrific shot.|
|Dec-12-15|| ||zanzibar: <Domd> I definitely encountered tournaments with proscribed analysis adjournments.|
Can't remember exactly which, but they were during my historical researches, most likely pre-1900 - probably tournaments with dinner breaks.
|Dec-13-15|| ||Domdaniel: <Zanzibar> One event that I played in -- the first incarnation of the Mulcahy Memorial, in Cork, Ireland -- had a 'dinner break' in the 1970s. As I recall, there was a playing session in the afternoon, a break of a couple of hours, and then a 2nd session. If necessary, a 3rd might be played in the morning.|
The event still exists, though without adjournments.
|Dec-13-15|| ||zanzibar: Ah, before the advent of computers and hand-held devices... when you could trust someone at their word. And people understood the value of a good meal.|
Times were more civilized then.
|Apr-02-16|| ||KnightFlower: How is 57. Kxg1 not winning? Even if 57. ...d3+, 58. Kf1 is winning. Black is down a rook and doesn't even have compensation in the passed pawn.|
Does anyone know why Karpov didn't take the rook?
|Apr-02-16|| ||beatgiant: <KnightFlower>
57. Kxg1 Bxf8 and White wins less material than in the actual game.
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