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|Nov-07-08|| ||Cactus: Karpov probably would have won their first one had it not been called off. Plus, Kasparov never won by more than one except for in their second match where Karpov overpressed looking to tie the score in his last game.|
|Nov-14-08|| ||Everett: <slomarko> <KingG>|
You both bring up great points.
<KingG> I think you have it right. Statistically, it was a nearly a wash between the two for some time, so any clear superiority had to be shone after Karpov was well past 40 years old and on the down-side of his career. To say Kasparov was marginally better from 85-91 is accurate, yet statistically insignificant.
I think the point <Brown> points out is interesting, as many do in fact tout Kasparov better in the "nerve" department, siting game 24 of this match, forgetting the awkward-to-explain result of game 23.
|Jun-29-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: 53. Bh6 was a brilliant shot by Karpov that put him within an ace of regaining his world champion title.|
|Jun-30-09|| ||Knight13: <Again, Kasparov did not show clear superiority to Karpov until well after their 1990 match.> Yeah, I know. After beating Karpov in all their World Championship matches, Kasparov has failed miserably to show that he is definitely not a "superior" player than Karpov.|
|Jul-09-09|| ||karik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLw...|
|Jul-09-09|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <I think the point <Brown> points out is interesting, as many do in fact tout Kasparov better in the "nerve" department, siting game 24 of this match, forgetting the awkward-to-explain result of game 23.>|
Well, Kasparov did not have to win or draw game 23. He had to win game 24, and he did. I'm sure you can go back and find that Michael Jordan made some bad plays in games where he later delivered buzzer-beaters, or that Tiger Woods missed some easy putts before sinking one of his recent 18th hole tournament-winners. Nobody cares.
And "god's gift to nerves of steel" is very much <Brown>'s invention. Most people simply call them "the best ever".
|Aug-05-09|| ||Brown: It interesting to note that when Karpov was fighting the world champ to a stalemate at 36, a just-turned 37 year old Kasparov was crushed by Kramnik. Kasparov's performance was so poor that Kramnik was able to look like the greatest ever.|
<SetNoEscapeOn> They played 24 games, not 1. If one narrows their viewpoint enough, a very small moment can falsley become an entire career.
|Feb-07-10|| ||notyetagm: <KingG: Great annotations from Seirawan here: http://www.chesscafe.com/skittles/s... >|
|Aug-05-10|| ||talisman: last move was to e3 for white right?|
|Aug-26-10|| ||hedgeh0g: Yes. Then it's a trivial win with an extra piece and advanced connected passed pawns.|
|Dec-02-10|| ||Dr. J: Not quite. 58 Be3 Re1 59 Bg5 d2 60 Bxd2 Re2+ 61 Kh3 Rxd2 62 c5 and d6 wins for White. But even better is 59 d6 Rxe3 60 d7 mating.|
|Dec-22-10|| ||Dr. J: Small correction: 58 Be3 Re1 59 d6 d2 60 Bxd2 Re2+ 61 Kg1 Rxd2 62 d7 "only" wins the Rook.|
|Jan-03-11|| ||jmboutiere: Black equalised in 10 moves!|
|Jan-03-11|| ||Everett: <: Black equalised in 10 moves!> And then he lost in another 47!|
|Jan-16-11|| ||Everett: Seirawan claims Karpov has a won game no matter what Kasparov plays on move 50, but it certainly isn't easy to see it.|
I think the idea is for white to exchange bishops to remove the blockade on c5. So white should try to play Bg5 at some point, threatening Bxh4 and exchanging bishops on e7. But this means that white must somehow get black to move his bishop from e7.
Instead of the game play, if black simply plays <49..R1f2 50.Rc6 Kg7 <just sitting tight> 51.Ra6> followed by Rga1 compels black to play ..Bc5 allowing Bg5 from white.
On move 50, as Seirawan states, 50..Be7 51.Rc7 really ties black into knots. With best play, white seems to win.
|Feb-02-11|| ||TheMacMan: i think that it is cheating that in the 1980s the game was suspended at move 40, and it continued the next day, it opens up to analysis teams from others and cheating, its ridiculous, i hate the kasparov karpov 1980s wc games, i know im not the only one who disagrees with that.|
|Feb-02-11|| ||TheFocus: Besides my games in the USCF and postal games, all the rest of my games were played with no adjournments. |
Try playing out two 70-move games in the same day. When one round ended, we went into the next round and when that one was done, half hour break before we concluded the first game.
No wonder I took so many draws.
|Feb-02-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <Everett: Instead of the game play, if black simply plays <49..R1f2 50.Rc6 Kg7 <just sitting tight> 51.Ra6> followed by Rga1 compels black to play ..Bc5 allowing Bg5 from white.
On move 50, as Seirawan states, 50..Be7 51.Rc7 really ties black into knots. With best play, white seems to win.>|
50...Be7 is horrible. It blocks the f7 Rook from c7. 50...Bb4 and I don't see a thing for White.
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|Feb-09-11|| ||KKDEREK: <TheMacMan: i think that it is cheating that in the 1980s the game was suspended at move 40, and it continued the next day, it opens up to analysis teams from others and cheating, its ridiculous, i hate the kasparov karpov 1980s wc games, i know im not the only one who.> .. is a dirty troll.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Everett: <Ohiochessfan> it seems you are right. When playing around with the position, it's clear that Karpovs king is not safe, especially with a black pawn on h4. Since Karpov did not manage to improve his bishop position, he can't risk going for a win when his opponent is dominating the f-file and dark squares around his king. Seirawan has again proven not quite accurate.|
|Oct-11-11|| ||Jaideepblue: Video showing the final struggle from the time when Bh6 is played
|Oct-11-11|| ||AVRO38: It's a shame Karpov missed 33...Nc5! in game 24 which would have regained the title for him.|
|Aug-16-12|| ||harrylime: Well what can you say? This titanic duel pretty much encapsulates everything the collision of Karpov and Kasparov was about.|
It pretty much captures both men's styles.
What a wonderful game.
|Aug-16-12|| ||harrylime: Karpov v Kasparov is the greatest rivalry in chess history. And this game,without wishing to fall on cliche, lies very much at that rivalries' heart.|
|Feb-24-13|| ||Everett: Oct-11-11 <AVRO38: It's a shame Karpov missed 33...Nc5! in game 24 which would have regained the title for him.>|
Since Karpov missed it, what makes you think he wouldn't miss something later, especially since his whole endgame plan seemed to be flawed (a result of too much adjournment analysis?) Perhaps be would have played it better if there was no adjournment.
It is what it is.
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