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Anatoly Karpov vs Garry Kasparov
Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), New York, NY USA, rd 3, Oct-15
King's Indian Defense: Orthodox Variation. Gligoric-Taimanov System (E92)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Feb-10-06  Arpit Deliwala: i respect both the players equally!!!
at the beginning karpov looked better, but kasparov made a good recovery for a great draw. i saw many king's indian games between kasparov and karpov. i observed that it is difficult for kasparov to beat karpov in this defence!!!

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  RookFile: Maybe you should observe that Bobby Fischer refuted this entire opening, pointing out that 13. Qd3 leads to a clear advantage, bordering on an outright win for white.
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  Chnebelgrind: 15...Ne6 is considered one of the most fantastic moves ever played (
Dec-06-06  slomarko: <RookFile: Maybe you should observe that Bobby Fischer refuted this entire opening> LOL
Dec-06-06  bobo7up: maybe you should observe that kasparov explicitly stated that this game was mere bluff all along. Hail Bobby!
Dec-07-06  slomarko: actually this game is far from being a bluff. maybe the variation isnt 100% sound however Kasparov created a complicated type of position Karpov dislikes.
Dec-07-06  Hesam7: Fischer's suggestion wins! 13. Qd3:

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and Black does not have any satisfactory defense. Here is the top 5 lines given by Shredder @ depth 16:

[1] 13...f5 14.Qa3 Kg8 15.Rd1 Nc6 16.Nb6 Qxd1 (eval: 2.07)

[2] 13...Nd6 14.Ng5 Kg8 (eval: 2.11)

[3] 13...Nc5 14.Qe3 Ne6 15.O-O-O Nc6 (eval: 2.36)

[4] 13...Nf6 14.Qa3 Kg8 15.Ne7 Kh8 16.O-O Nc6 17.Nxc6 Qxc6 18.Rad1 Ng8 19.Rd8 Qf6 20.Rfd1 e4 (eval: 2.62)

[5] 13...c6 14.Qa3 Ke8 15.Nb6 Bf8 16.Qa4 Nc5 17.Nxd7 Nxa4 18.Nxf8 Kxf8 19.b3 Nc3 20.Nxe5 (eval: 3.07)

Dec-07-06  square dance: Karpov Anatoli - Kasparov Garry, m/3 New York/Lyon 50/641 Azmaypar 1990

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Analysis by Rybka 2.2 32-bit:

1. (0.46): 13...Ne4-d6 14.Nf3-g5 Qd7-d8 15.Ra1-d1 Bc8-f5 16.Qd3-a3 Nb8-c6 17.Nd5xc7 Qd8xc7 18.Qa3xd6+ Qc7xd6 19.Rd1xd6 h7-h6 20.g2-g4

i dont know if white is winning, but its a good start.

Dec-07-06  square dance: in the line rybka gave in my previous post rybka likes 19...Ke7 better after playing through it.
Dec-07-06  slomarko: that 13.Qd3 wins is absurd, white gets a better game true but it is still light years from a win
Dec-07-06  Hesam7: <square dance> generally Shredder is much more optimistic than Rybka but I think the simple: 13.Qd3! Nd6 14.Ng5 Qd8 15.Nxh7!? Kg8 16.Ng5:

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is winning (Btw 15.Nxh7!? was not Shredder's first choice). If Black does not take on g5 White continues with h4, 16...Qxg5 is met by 17.Nxc7 and 16...Bf5 17.Qd2 does not promise Black anything. The point is that Black is the one who should show compensation for the exchange he has sacrificed.

<<slomarko>: that 13.Qd3 wins is absurd, white gets a better game true but it is still light years from a win>

What do you mean?? White ends up a clear exchange up.

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  thegoodanarchist: Obviously Fischer was better thank Karpov or Kasparov.
Dec-08-06  stanleys: <thegoodanarchist>: <Obviously Fischer was better thank Karpov or Kasparov.>

Really????What makes you so sure?

Dec-08-06  square dance: well, you can say its winning all you want, but rybka clearly feels that black has compensation. maybe its wrong, or the compensation is only temporary, but when you're "up" and exchange yet the programs are showing only .30 in your favor then they feel there is comp for the exchange. i guess the only hesitation i would have here is that fritz is known to be stronger when it comes to king side attacks. i'll check some lines with fritz 10 and see what i can come up with. <The point is that Black is the one who should show compensation for the exchange he has sacrificed.> i dont know what you mean by this since rybka feels he has it especially after Nxh7.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Qe7 8. dxe5 dxe5 9. Nd5 Qd8 10. Bc5 Nxe4 11. Be7 Qd7 12. Bxf8 Kxf8 13. Qc2 13. Qd3 Nd6 14. Ng5 Qd8 15. Nxh7+ Kg8 16. Ng5 Bf5 17. Qd2 Nc6

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Analysis by Rybka 2.2 32-bit:

1. = (0.24): 18.h2-h4 Nc6-d4 19.Nd5-e3 Bg7-h6 20.Ra1-d1 c7-c5 21.Ne3xf5 Nd6xf5 22.Ke1-f1 Ra8-b8 23.Qd2-d3 Bh6xg5 24.h4xg5 Qd8xg5

2. = (0.18): 18.Ra1-d1 Nc6-d4 19.h2-h4 Bf5-c2 20.Rd1-c1 Nd6-e4 21.Ng5xe4 Bc2xe4 22.Ke1-f1 c7-c6 23.Nd5-c3 Nd4xe2 24.Qd2xd8+ Ra8xd8

3. = (0.15): 18.0-0-0 Nc6-d4 19.h2-h4 Bf5-c2 20.Rd1-e1 Bc2-b3 21.Kc1-b1 Nd6xc4 22.Be2xc4 Bb3xc4 23.Nd5-e3 Bc4-b5 24.Ng5-e4 Bb5-c6

@ 18 ply

Dec-08-06  square dance: this is what fritz is giving at 18 ply:

New game - Rybka 2.2 32-bit

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Analysis by Fritz 10:

1. ± (0.88): 18.h2-h4 Nc6-d4 19.Nd5-e3 Bg7-h6 20.0-0-0 Bh6xg5 21.h4xg5 Qd8xg5 22.Be2-d3 Ra8-d8 23.Kc1-b1 Nd4-c6 24.Qd2-e2 Nc6-d4 25.Qe2-e1

2. (0.26): 18.0-0 Nc6-d4 19.Ng5-f3 Nd4xf3+ 20.Be2xf3 Nd6xc4 21.Qd2-b4 Nc4-d6 22.Bf3-e2 e5-e4 23.Ra1-c1 c7-c6 24.Nd5-e3 Qd8-f6 25.Ne3xf5

3. = (0.23): 18.0-0-0 Nc6-d4 19.h2-h4 Bf5-c2 20.Rd1-e1 Bc2-b3 21.Kc1-b1 Nd6xc4 22.Be2xc4 Bb3xc4 23.Nd5-e3 Bc4-b5 24.Qd2-c3 c7-c6 25.Kb1-a1

in the first line if you play through it fritz likes 19...c5 better with 20. Nxf5 gxf5 to follow. at this point only 21. 0-0-0 maintains any advantage according to F10.

at a depth of 16 this is what fritz 10 gives:

New game - Rybka 2.2 32-bit

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Analysis by Fritz 10:

1. (0.54): 21.0-0-0 Qd8-b6 22.Rh1-e1 Bg7-h6 23.Kc1-b1 f7-f6 24.f2-f4 f6xg5 25.f4xg5

2. = (0.13): 21.Rh1-g1 f7-f6 22.Ng5-f3 Nd6-e4 23.Qd2-c1 Kg8-h7 24.g2-g4 Qd8-a5+ 25.Ke1-f1 Nd4xf3 26.Be2xf3 Ne4-d2+

3. = (0.06): 21.g2-g4 f7-f6 22.Ng5-f3 Nd6-e4 23.Qd2-d1 Qd8-a5+ 24.Ke1-f1 Ra8-d8 25.Qd1-e1 Qa5xe1+ 26.Ra1xe1 f5xg4 27.Nf3xd4 Ne4-d2+

strangely enough, rybka doesnt consider 21. 0-0-0 in its top 3 moves. instead it prefers Rh3, Rd1 and Kf1. they all have an eval of about .35.

Dec-08-06  slomarko: in other words the line Garry played was very playable
Dec-08-06  alicefujimori: First of all, I would like to point out that the first to suggest 13.Qd3! was NOT Fischer, but by the Kasparov team during the 1990 match. In the book on this match "Kasparov V Karpov 1990", by Kasparov, Geller, Lein and Chepizhny, they claimed that 13.Qc2 was a mistake and stated that the only way to cast doubt on Black's idea was to play 13.Qd3! and gave the sample variation 13...Nd6 (best) 14.Qa3 Nc6 (14...c6 15.Nb6) 15.Rd1.
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  kevin86: Either this game was a great hoax-or one of the greatest draws in history-after playing the game a second time,i'm leaning toward the latter.

White steals the queen then gets his trapped! and that's just a start!

Feb-28-09  talisman: 23...K-e7??.. good points in the posts above but this is the move that i don't get.
Apr-17-09  WhiteRook48: 23...Bf7
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  Knight13: <talisman: 23...K-e7??.. good points in the posts above but this is the move that i don't get.> Black was just centralizing. And also to cover up any potential checks on the D-file. It was unclear at this point where the light-squared bishop was supposed to be, so it's best to remain at e8 and being able to play Bf6 or g5 or whatever instead of sticking it on f7 and not do much.
Nov-04-10  ToTheDeath: In retrospect a very overrated game where neither player played to the best of his abilities. Karpov failed to find the best moves against an original but dubious opening gamble, and Kasparov failed to convert a much better and probably winning endgame.
Nov-27-10  talisman: <Knight13> Preciate that!
Feb-07-11  TheOutsider: Fischer was right. Completely prearranged.
Jun-09-11  Everett: Fischer was <deranged,> completely <right.>
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