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Viktor Korchnoi vs Anatoly Karpov
Simul (1961), Zlatoust
Scotch Game: Schmidt Variation (C47)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-06-03
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  Benzol: <ughaibu> Karpov was born on May 23rd 1951 so I guess he would have been about 11.
Nov-06-03  ughaibu: Thanks. Do you know the ages at which each world champion took the title?
Nov-06-03
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  Benzol: <ughaibu> Thanks by the way for Nf8. I can find out about the World Champions but it is going to take a little time to look up the info. I'll get back as soon as I've done the research. OK mate?
Nov-06-03  ughaibu: Whenever suits you is fine by me.
Nov-06-03
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  Chessical: Korchnoi did not play in the 1962 RSFR Junior Championship! He would have been 31 years old.

White here is KORGNOY.

Nov-06-03
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  Eggman: Could this have been in a simul?
Nov-06-03  drukenknight: Yes it was a simul. According to Keene this is the first encounter between them, played Karpov was 11. Who on earth is Korgnoy?
Nov-06-03  tud: 32 ... Nf8 is fair enough
Nov-07-03
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  Benzol: <ughaibu>
I've taken the dates to the full year though in some cases this might need a slight adjustment. It looks like Botvinnik was right when he commented that the best age for a chess player was 30 - 37 years old.

1.Wilhelm Steinitz Born 14-5-1836 Gained Title 29-3-1886 Aged 50.

2.Emanuel Lasker Born 24-12-1868 Gained Title 26-5-1894 Aged 26.

3.Jose Capablanca Born 19-11-1888 Gained Title 21-4-1921 Aged 33.

4.Alexander Alyekhin Born 1-11-1892 Gained Title 28-11-1927 Aged 35. Regained Title from Euwe 7-12-1937 aged 45.

5.Max Euwe Born 20-5-1901 Gained Title 15-12-1935 Aged 35.

6.Mikhail Botvinnik Born 17-8-1911 Gained Title 17-5-1948 Aged 37. Regained Title from Smyslov 8-5-1958 Aged 47. Regained Title from Tal 12-5-1961 Aged 50.

7.Vasily Smyslov Born 24-3-1921 Gained Title 27-4-1957 Aged 36.

8.Mikhail Tal Born 9-11-1936 Gained Title 7-5-1960 Aged 24.

9.Tigran Petrosian Born 17-6-1929 Gained Title 20-5-1963 Aged 34.

10.Boris Spassky Born 30-1-1937 Gained Title 17-6-1969 Aged 32.

11.Robert Fischer Born 9-3-1943 Gain Title 15-9-1972 Aged 29.

12.Anatoly Karpov Born 23-5-1951 Gained Title 24-4-1975 Aged 24.

13.Gary Kasparov Born 13-4-1963 Gained Title 9-11-1985 Aged 22.

14.Vladimir Kramnik Born 25-6-1975 Gained Title 2-11-2000 Aged 25.

I haven't included the FIDE Champions, perhaps someone else can do that.

Nov-07-03
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  Eggman: <It looks like Botvinnik was right when he commented that the best age for a chess player was 30 - 37 years old>

Keep in mind some of these guys (most notably Steinitz, Capablanca and Botvinnik) were ready to contest and quite possibly annex the title years before they got the chance.

Nov-07-03
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  Eggman: Ben: next time you go through so much trouble, you might want to make sure your post is not off-topic, because Chessgames.com may erase it. Perhaps you could put this on Kibitzer's Cafe or even the Botvinnik or Kramnik page.
Nov-07-03  ughaibu: Benzol: Thanks for all that, interesting.
Nov-07-03
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  refutor: eggman...i wouldn't worry about chessgames.com erasing off-topic posts...at least 90% of the crap on the fischer and kasparov pages is off-topic :)
Nov-07-03
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  Benzol: <Eggman> Perhaps the info would've been more suitable on Kibitzers Cafe but the question was asked here so I felt that this was where it should be answered.
Nov-08-03
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  Eggman: Understood Ben, but next time why not just say something like "here's your answer: The Kibitzer's Café", and then post the answer there? And after all, people who would be interested in this stuff would never think to click on this page, but they would be likely enough to frequent the cafe.
Nov-08-03
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  Benzol: <Eggman> Thanks for your support. I must make the confession that I'm not that computer savvy. I don't know how for instance you got The Kibitzers Cafe to appear as a purple coloured link. It was AdrianP (Bless him) who showed how to paste games as a link. Before that I didn't know how to do it. If you wish to put my post to the Kibitzers Cafe be my guest as I don't know how, but I'm not sure that many people would be interested in it.
Nov-08-03  ughaibu: There's also the point that this information is of continuing interest, on this page it will be available, even if only accidentally, whereas it would soon disappear in the cafe.
Jan-18-06  shamekovich: Instead of the cipher 17 f4, 17 f3
could well be played instead, with
Ne2, when the knight could hardly
be prevented from coming to either
f5 or d5. For that matter, 17 Nd5
is also fairly strong.
Jan-19-06  woodenbishop: ...If Korchnoi only knew then of the wars to come (with Karpov).
Apr-16-07  Helios727: My Karpov book says that Chessical was right. The opponent was Korgnoy (not Korchnoi), and it was the RSFSR Junior Championship. The game score is the same, 1962, city of Cheliabinsk. Perhpaps the simul mentioned by knight was the encounter with Botvinnik in 1964.
May-23-07
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  Honza Cervenka: <Helios727> Karpov mentioned this game in his recent interview for the Russian daily Izvestia. The game was played in one of Korchnoi's simuls. According to Karpov it was played in his home town Zlatoust in 1961.

See http://www.izvestia.ru/sport/articl...

Aug-03-07  davidllada: I showed this game to Karpov himself the past week, because I had included it on the biography I written on him, and after reading your comments I wanted to check if I had a mistake.

He recognized the game and confirmed that the scoresheet is right. But the game was played in Zlatoust 1961.

By the way, Korchnoi always tells the story that he won this simul game. Maybe his memory is failing a little bit ;-)

May-23-10  reti: By the way, Korchnoi remembered that Karpov was eating blueberry yogurt during this game.
Aug-17-12
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  HeMateMe: The first meeting of the titans of the 70s. Karpov is 11, Korchnoi is...26?
May-29-15  m.okun: Kochnoi was born on 23.03.1931, Karpov - 23.05.1951.
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