< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·
|Oct-16-08|| ||CollardHollar: Hellos! I am begin study the chess in the past weeks! Pardon me but what thinking of after 32.Bc4 Bxf2, 33.Qxf2(forced) Bxc4! with following lines: 34.Qxe1 Bd5, 35.Qxb4 Qxc6 with enough pressure on g2 to ensure the draw or instead 34. Qd4+! with two instructive lines: 34...Kg8(34...Kf8?, 35.Qf2+!, 34...Kh6? 35.Qd2+), 35.Qxc4+ Qf7, 36. Qd4(36.Qxb4? Qf2!, 36.Qb5? Qf2!) Rc1, 37.Qd2 Rf1 when white seems in virtual state of zugzwang viz, 38.Qd4 repeating or 38.Qxb4 Qf2!, 38.Qxd6 Qf2!, or 38.h3 Qa7!, 39.Qd5+ Kd7!0-1, so instead 38.Qe3 but then 38...h5! intending h4->h3, also possible for black after 32...Bxf2, 33.Qxf2 Bxc4, 34.Qd4+ Re5, 35.Qxc4 d5. 36. Qxb4 Re6, 37.Qd4+ Kg8, 38.Qxd5 Qxc6, 39.Qxc6 Rxc6, 40.c4 Kf7, 41. c5 Ke6, 42.b4 Kd5, 43.b5 Rc8, 44.c6 Kd6, 45.h3 Kc7 draw|
|Feb-17-09|| ||swarmoflocusts: "Karpov was always better than Kasparov, always"
You draw this conclusion from three sources:
1) Garry Kasparov has a postive career record against Karpov (+30 -23 =134), therefore Karpov is superior.
2) The two played five world championships. One was terminated without result and Kasparov won the other four. Therefore, Karpov is superior.
3) A player's rating shows their skill relative to the rest of the chess world. We have already established that Karpov is superior to Kasparov head-to-head; now we shall establish that he is superior relative to everyone else as well. Kasparov's current FIDE rating is 2812, and his highest career rating was 2851. Karpov's current rating is 2644, and his highest career rating was 2780. There is not even any overlap: Karpov's numbers unequivocally prove him to be a superior player than Kasparov relative to the rest of the world's chess players.
I am simply presenting the evidence to back up your statement, which you clearly felt was so obviously correct that you did not need to explain yourself. While I, too, understand that Karpov is the superior player, I feel that some of these inferior minds might need a little urging before they are able to understand this truth in the world of chess which you have presented.
|Feb-17-09|| ||Jim Bartle: I agree with your conclusions, swarm, but your comparison of Karpov's and Kasparov's current ratings is a bit of a cheap shot. Kasparov quit fairly young while at the top while Karpov continues to play while clearly not as strong as in his best years. |
Another little error: of the five WC matches, Kasparov won three, one was drawn, and the other abandoned. Kasparov did not win four.
|Feb-17-09|| ||swarmoflocusts: <your comparison of Karpov's and Kasparov's current ratings is a bit of a cheap shot. Kasparov quit fairly young while at the top while Karpov continues to play while clearly not as strong as in his best years.>|
Granted, but I was making a point.
<Another little error: of the five WC matches, Kasparov won three, one was drawn, and the other abandoned. Kasparov did not win four.>
I'm aware, but as the champion is given draw odds, the match resulted in Kasparov retaining his title. I apologize for this inaccuracy; I should have been more specific.
|Apr-04-09|| ||lic3306: Fischer and Kasparov have similar styles..you agree?|
|Jun-06-09|| ||WhiteRook48: do you mean Karpov?|
|Nov-26-09|| ||djbl: kasparov must have been very young in 75', just a kid really - 11 or 12 by my maths. whereas karpov in 75' was more than likely (without going into the whole fischer thing)the strongest player (active player lets say) in the world and nearing his peak, so it's easy to see why karpov wins. but do you think he had any idea that he was facing a player who in 10 years time this would become his nemesis?|
|Nov-28-09|| ||funkymihir: nice game. great play by karpov|
|Aug-13-10|| ||GrahamClayton: <Gothic Girl>By the way, was this their first encounter? |
Yes, this was the first game between Kasparov and Karpov. Karpov was acting as the team captain for the Chelyabinsk Young Pioneers, and played against Kasparov, who would have been representing Baku Young Pioneers, in a simultaneous exhibition. Here are Kasparov's memories of this game:
"My encounter with Karpov did not give me the same quiver of excitement as the game with Tal had. [Kasparov had played Tal in a simul at the finals of the Young Pioneers in Moscow in 1974].
The other boys, though, were nervous, and went into the game looking rather lost. In the hotel lobby where the tournament was taking place I said to them 'What's there to be afraid of? Karpov may be world champion, but he can still make mistakes.' This remark was evidently overheard, because the next day one of Karpov's backers, A Tupikin (then secretary of a Leningrad district Party committee), told my mother: 'Bear in mind that Karpov never forgets a slight.'"
Sovietsky Sport reported: "During A Karpov's session with the schoolchildren from Baku, the point came where the world champion had just one opponent left, twelve-year-old candidate master Garik Kasparov. Karpov sat down opposite the young player, and naturally it was a moment that the photographers did not fail to catch. The thing is that Garik is one of the most talented young chess players, and who is to say whether one day there may not be another Karpov-Kasparov fight...."
Very prophetic words!
|Mar-13-11|| ||Cerpico: All I want to ask is. How many of you here are GM? questioning Kasparov what he could of done better on a proticular game and what better moves he could of move. That's why he is one of the gratest in the world and all you siting at home thinking why he did what he did. Funny hahaha|
|Mar-24-11|| ||Uhohspaghettio: "All I want to ask is. How many of you here are GM? questioning Kasparov what he could of done better on a proticular game and what better moves he could of move. That's why he is one of the gratest in the world and all you siting at home thinking why he did what he did. Funny hahaha"|
Then they put it all through Rybka and if Rybka finds some poor move say "why the hell did he do that, that was obviously a bad move".
Not everyone here, but lots of them. They particularly like to talk **** about old GMs such as Morphy (who could could beat all of them in a blindfold simul), presumably because their excuse for not beating Morphy and the other old GMs is that they weren't born when they were around.
|Mar-24-11|| ||I play the Fred: So I suppose the thing to do is praise both players in every game, then?|
You know, some of our regular posters have no international titles and yet are pretty damn strong players. Strong enough to find mistakes made by players much superior to them.
If I were to find a mistake made by Kasparov in a given game, is it not really a mistake just because Kasparov is 100 times the player I am?
As for those people who make outrageous claims about old GMs, well, one does have the option to not take them seriously.
|Sep-24-11|| ||bronkenstein: From the very beginning of a simul::http://www.chessbase.com/news/2010/...|
|Dec-19-11|| ||wordfunph: game quote..
"You have to fight for the last, even if you are in a winning position."
- Garry Kasparov (when asked for the lesson in this encounter)
this was the first time that Kasparov played the Najdorf Variation.
|Dec-19-11|| ||HeMateMe: Karpov must have wet his pants, seeing an 11 year old kid do this to him. Just when you think its safe, with Fischer retired, you have this kid from Baku coming up the ladder.|
Good think its just chess, and not politics. If Putin recogized a talent in such a young one, he'd have the kid sent to Siberia.
|Dec-19-11|| ||brankat: <bronkenstein> This is the first time I've seen the photo. A great pic! Thank You.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||Penguincw: Wow. Tripled pawns.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||Bozantium: Kasparov looks like Anish Giri in bronkenstein's pic.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||HeMateMe: Looks like he's wearing some sort of button, Young Pioneers, or Comsommol thing. A kid from the Black sea, getting to sit down against Karpov. He looks pretty excited. Gave a good account of himself, too.|
|Feb-21-12|| ||Paraconti: Karpov had more natural talent and understanding of chess. Kasparov became better because he more than compensated these shortcomings (compared to Karpov, that is) through deep opening preparation.|
|Feb-21-12|| ||pawn to QB4: <it's easy to see why karpov wins. but do you think he had any idea that he was facing a player who in 10 years time this would become his nemesis?>
< Karpov had more natural talent and understanding of chess.>
I think it part answers both of these that the year before a columnist as far from Baku as Britain (Barden in The Guardian) had prophesied that the world champion in 2000 would be Kasparov. Karpov would have had an even better idea that he was up against someone with more than a bit of natural talent. Wasn't doing it in 1975 on opening preparation. Whether he had more natural talent than Karpov is unknowable; it's not just a fact that he didn't.|
|Feb-21-12|| ||RookFile: There's the basic possibility that people can die young. In 1975, the only thing Karpov would have known is that Kasparov was perhaps the most talented junior player out there.|
|Feb-21-12|| ||AlphaMale: The way that Kasparov talks about Karpov's malevolent power and influence within Soviet chess during the 1970s, I figure that we should just be grateful that Garry was allowed to live, let alone become world champion by his early 20s.|
|Jul-19-12|| ||QueentakesKing: A preview of the impressive future style of play by Kas.|
|Sep-18-12|| ||JohnBoy: For posterity, this should be attached to the game record.|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·