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|May-27-09|| ||keypusher: <Domdaniel: I cannot accept that white's first 25 moves were played by Karpov. A pawnstorm on the queenside, followed by another on the kingside? Impossible -- this is the strategy of a Tal or a Topalov, or one of their many imitators.>|
Karpov vs Spassky, 1974
Karpov vs Yusupov, 1993
Karpov vs Nunn, 1982
Those are awfully slow to be called pawn storms, though. More like pawn slogs.
|May-27-09|| ||Domdaniel: <keypusher> I've only looked at one game on your list so far: Karpov vs Nunn. I enjoyed it so much I had to check out their 17 or 18 other encounters as well. One, at least, is not in the CG database.|
But the 1982 game is among the best. I'd seen it before -- I've got the tournament book. For some odd reason, even though I was (a) playing chess, and (b) frequently in London in 1982, I didn't drop in to watch them play.
It's pure Karpov, though. He builds up a huge positional advantage over 20-something moves, and only when he's clearly winning does he go a bit gonzo with g4. Allowing just a little counterplay. Unlike our ringer here, who was gonzo from the start.
I agree: a slow storm isn't really a storm.
|May-27-09|| ||smaragdus: Scandinavian is absolutely beautiful for black, but it requires exquisite technique and and deep positional insight. It is a shame that almost no one of the so called super grand masters keeps it within their inventory. A similar beauty of a game that shows how marvellous Scandinavian Defense is-
Topalov vs Nisipeanu, 2007
This is the bravest answer to the ugliest and cowardliest of all chess moves- the abominable E4. Study Scandinavian, study Chess!
|May-28-09|| ||Domdaniel: <smaragdus> -- <the abominable E4.>
Absolument. A move for a Yeti. And not a GM Yeti.
*Smaragdine* is one of my favorite words, btw. What opening do they play in the Emerald City? Perhaps the Icelandic Gambit... the not-in-Kansas-anymore Variation, of course.
Has Anand totally given up the Scandinavian? It must be the creeping neurosis that overtakes world champions.
Some never play again, like Fischer. Some get lazy, like Petrosian. Some play more carefully, like Spassky after 1969 or Kramnik after 2001. (I know the *fetal drawnikoids* can't believe it, but he *was* a dashing and exciting player as a teenager).
And some feel they should act dignified as befits their high office, so they stick to 'respectable' and Orthodox openings. Anand is one of these.
The best model I can think of is Karpov, who broadened his range after becoming world champ, and regularly revamped his openings while winning many tournaments.
Alekhine gets the runner-up spot, for drinking milk to beat Euwe. Now that's smaragdinous.
|May-28-09|| ||Domdaniel: My award includes all of Karpov's doubles, of course, including those who were shot for playing gambits or exiled to Siberia for developing an unsightly paunch.|
Siberia was surprisingly good for the figure, if your idea of physical beauty tends to the skeletal.
|Jun-22-09|| ||TheChessGuy: This is the only game Karpov lost in Montreal 1979, sharing first with Misha Tal. Strange how he had White against the player who took last place.|
|Jul-18-09|| ||tranquil simplicity: Ladies and Gentlemen! It is very interesting to me that Domdaniel used the words over-CAUTIOUS moves to describe Karpov's loss. I will not even go as far as considering the KARPOV DOUBLE story as I do not believe at all! Karpov the man, is certainly one of the strongest Chess Masters of all time. However he has to me, an overly CAUTIOUS, PROPHYLACTIC, DRY and TECHNICAL STYLE that is considered elegant by some but that i find dull. So I believe in this game, it was Karpov the man who overextended himself in the opening (perhaps assuming the Scandinavian defense is weak) but failed to nail Larsen quickly, then became his old CAUTIOUS self. Unfortunately it was too late!!|
|Aug-08-09|| ||ToTheDeath: I like Karpov's play actually- 26.h5 and 31.Nde5 Rf5 32.hxg5! look promising for White. Karpov simply overestimated his position and fiddled around for too long, allowing counterplay on the F file.|
|Oct-17-09|| ||dannygjk: Even as late as move 46, it seems White can get an even game with, 46.Rde1. The rooks support each other and work together to prevent/create threats.|
|Oct-17-09|| ||bravado1: Karpov seems to have big problems when someone plays against him a less popular opening (of course Scandinavian is quite common, but rare on a grandmaster level). This poses a question whether his strength was not in the endgame technique, as it is believed, but in a good opening preparation.|
|Oct-19-09|| ||dannygjk: Hi, <Bravado1> ya, that makes sense, since masters/gm's perform better if a chess position, 'makes sense', if it is, 'normal'. This is proven by studies involving masters/gm's and players who have not made chess their life study.|
|Oct-19-09|| ||Jim Bartle: Interesting point, danny. Any place to look up those studies?|
|Oct-19-09|| ||dannygjk: ya, start with DeGroot :)|
|Sep-11-10|| ||Atking: I like the way Larsen negociated this opening. Rooks came first on d file then on e file an finaly on f file...|
|Feb-18-12|| ||RookFile: In the opening, Karpov didn't want to play an early Nf3, meeting Bg4 with h3, and playing g4 after the bishop goes to h5. But that's exactly how you get an advantage.|
|Nov-16-13|| ||offramp: I love the rope-a-dope style. I LOVE using it but - my friends - I have been annihilated scores of times! But that is my opponents' fault!|
|Jul-28-15|| ||tivrfoa: hi. what is the sequence after 37. Bxh4?|
|Jul-28-15|| ||TrollKing: tivrfoa, if 37. Bxh4? then 37 ... Rxd3!
If 38. Qxd3?? then 38 ... Nf4+ picks up the Queen.
|Jul-29-15|| ||tivrfoa: <TrollKing: tivrfoa, if 37. Bxh4? then 37 ... Rxd3!
If 38. Qxd3?? then 38 ... Nf4+ picks up the Queen.> Nice =). Thanks a lot.|
|Aug-10-17|| ||JoseTigranTalFischer: I happened upon this game looking at some of the tournaments on the list ChessBase did of the 50 greatest of all time that was put out like, 15 years ago (so really not all time, at this point) and I'm trying to wrap my mind around how Karpov - World Champion Karpov, undefeated since taking the title again earlier that year - loses only one game in what could be argued to be the strongest tournament competition every brought together for a tournament, and that loss is at the hands of the dead last tournament finisher. I don't mean to say that Larsen was not a great player but it can hardly be argued that he had anything but a disappointing tournament overall. How does that happen?? Larsen draws with white and wins with black?? To the World champion and co-tournament winner?? The only one in that entire field of brilliance that takes a win and a draw from the games against the contest winner?? I'd actually like to read what Larsen had to say about this tournament cuz that's just so unusual and unbelievable. Those two games versus Karpov game as many tournament points as the six games against the three players who tied for next-to-last ahead of him (Hort, Huebner, Kavalek). I've just never seen anything like that. Was Larsen's only goal at Montreal to knock Karpov around while ignoring the other 6 exceptionally strong players....|
|Nov-12-17|| ||offramp: <JoseTigranTalFischer: ...I've just never seen anything like that. >|
First of all, welcome to chessgames.com. I am afraid I did not see your interesting post until just now... There is an awful lot to see read and hear at this site: you were not being ignored or anything like that, it's just that people were elsewhere.
Later in this same year Larsen played in the very strong Buenos Aires (Clarin) (1979) and won "by a distance": 3 points ahead of 2nd place.
He was a player who could blow very hot and cold. At Montréal he seemed a little below par and his opponents were ruthless with him.
In this particular game Karpov did not play very well. He became very overextended. You can tease Larsen a little bit but you MUST NOT take the piss, and here Karpov started taking the piss.
It is not unknown for last-placers to beat winners in chess tournaments. I think Eugenio Torre might have done it, among others.
My favourite piece of giant-killing is at St. Petersburg (1909), where 13th plave Fyodor Ivanovich Dus Chotimirsky defeated both winners, Lasker and Rubinstein.
|Nov-12-17|| ||Howard: A good example of a "near miss" in the above-mentioned category was at NY 1924, in which Janowski (who came in dead last) almost beat first-place finisher Lasker...but he botched things so bad he ended up losing.|
|Nov-12-17|| ||Retireborn: In a similar tournament to Montreal (Santa Monica 1966) Larsen lost to tail-enders Donner and Ivkov, yet also scored two spectacular wins against then-World champion Petrosian. It's never a surprise to me when a World Champion loses to another top player.|
|Nov-14-17|| ||Howard: Then there was the 1985 US championship in which dead-last McCambridge beat clear-first-place Lev Alburt. It was the latter's only loss in the event.|
Granted, that tournament wasn't exactly one of the "top-10 toughest tournaments of the year", but it's worth noting.
|Nov-14-17|| ||offramp: That game was known as McCambridge's Mercedes.|
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