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|Mar-12-06|| ||Brown: <CC> Quote and source it or stop saying it. Nothing negative about the notations. I have it in front of me.|
|Sep-30-08|| ||Woody Wood Pusher: Don't repeat lines against the World Champion without an improvement, especially if that World Champion is Karpov!|
|Feb-12-10|| ||coolthing76: Karpov annotated this game by voice in the wonderful Chessmaster 4000 CD. That was amazing for me back in '95 the 1st time I head a grandmaster voice annotations.|
|Sep-13-10|| ||Bobwhoosta: This game is absolutely amazing, especially after seeing the "sister game" in Winning Chess Brilliancies, and hearing the story from <refutor> about the postmortem. |
It's hilarious watching Karpov totally destroy Seirawan from the same position that Seirawan had totally destroyed Karpov previously (and not too long ago I might add!!!)
|Jun-24-11|| ||hedgeh0g: <it's zugzwang after 14. ...Qe4.>|
No it isn't. I'm pretty sure White would like to make a move to stop Qb1+.
14.Qa5 caused all of White's subsequent difficulties. Karpov played so well afterwards that it looks like the move loses by force! Seirawan stated that he had analysed the position with Korchnoi, who had recommended 14.Qc2! where Black's queenside weaknesses give White something to work with. Seirawan instead decided to go on an excursion and paid dearly for it.
|Sep-30-11|| ||seeminor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKpE...|
|Sep-30-11|| ||swissfed: Karpov King !!!|
|Oct-07-11|| ||al wazir: 31. Nc2 Qxc2+ 32. Kd1 Be4 33. Qxc7 Qd2+ 34. Kf1 Qd1#.|
|Oct-07-11|| ||Riverbeast: Seirawan's mistake was playing the exact same variation he beat Karpov with the first time, without apparently having any improvements himself|
Hence the pun, "Fool me once..."
He didn't think Karpov would have analyzed this variation (with all his homeboys)?
If he did know it, and he just wanted to see what improvements the Soviets came up with....He certainly found the answer
|Oct-07-11|| ||brankat: "Fool me once..". Yes, this one should qualify for the pun of the year :-)|
|Oct-07-11|| ||goodevans: "There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: Fool me once... " [pause] "... shame on... ". [pause] "Shame on you... " [pause] "If fooled, you can't get fooled again." <George W Bush, 2007>|
Well known, but always worth a repeat.
|Oct-07-11|| ||Xenon Oxide: Oh the stealth pun is brilliant.
Fool me once, shame on ya. I.e. Yasser :P
|Oct-07-11|| ||MrBlueLake: seeminor, thanks for the youtube link to this game.|
|Oct-07-11|| ||Riverbeast: It would be even funnier if every move had been analyzed, and Karpov played it all in 5-10 minutes|
After Karpov's first improvement 13...b5, it already looks like white is in trouble
And the play looks pretty forcing from that point
|Oct-07-11|| ||kellmano: <goodevans> the exact same thought crossed my mind the moment i saw the pun. Definitely my favourite Bushism. Thanks for the youtube clip. A real shame about the canned laughter.|
|Oct-07-11|| ||kevin86: Karpov's attack was so strong that even the rook was expendable.|
|Oct-07-11|| ||erniecohen: <hedgeh0g: ...14.Qa5 caused all of White's subsequent difficulties. Karpov played so well afterwards that it looks like the move loses by force!>|
Don't think so (though looks inferior to 14. d1 or 14. c2). The fatal mistake was probably 16.b3; white is fine after 16. e3 b1 17. a3 x6 18. fxe3, or 17... c6 18. e8+ h7 19. d3+.
|Oct-07-11|| ||erniecohen: make that 16...xe3|
|Oct-07-11|| ||redcircle: 11.g3 is probably some kind of joke|
|Oct-07-11|| ||belgradegambit: I just thought of this pun last week when I was reviewing this game and the previous one. Glad everyone enjoyed it!|
|Oct-07-11|| ||waustad: Going -1 against the strongest player of the generation isn't that bad, though a lot of Seirawon's wins are rapid/active or blindfold.|
|Oct-07-11|| ||BraveUlysses: Delightful!
This fascinating and instructive game, the classic "Yasser" pun, the interesting history of the game provided by you guys- thanks.
I bet Arafat would have absolutely wiped the floor with Dubya, who was more a baseball man I believe.
Karpov... his stature is assured for all time.
|Oct-07-11|| ||OhioChessFan: I have to agree with <redcircle> 14. g3 just looks ridiculous.|
I tried to make 25. Qa8+ work but the e file is too weak.
25. Qa8+ Kh7 26. Qxd5 Qa1+ 27. Kd2 Qxa2+ 28. Ke3 Re6+ 29. Kf3 Be4+
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|Oct-07-11|| ||indoknight: what is the purpose of 26.Bc4 ? and what is the end of this game?|
|Oct-08-11|| ||al wazir: <OhioChessFan: 25. Qa8+ Kh7 26. Qxd5 Qa1+ 27. Kd2 Qxa2+ 28. Ke3 Re6+ 29. Kf3 Be4+> 30. Qxe4+ Rxe4 31. Kxe4 Qxb3.|
White has ++ vs. , and I think the on b4 can be stopped, e.g., 32. Bg2 Qe6+ 33. Kd3 b3 34. Nf3 b2 35. Nd2.
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