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Garry Kasparov vs Vladimir Borisovich Tukmakov
USSR 1982  ·  Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov-Petrosian Variation. Petrosian Attack (E12)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Feb-13-08  zooter: hmmm...mighty tough (atleast for me)...giving up after more than 10 minutes though i like the idea of 42.Be7 but after 42...Qxe7 I don't see any continuation... :(

Time to check

Feb-13-08  zooter: wow, pretty strange!!!

A forced draw to be found out???? Don't we all look for a win for the puzzle.....

now this would be really tough if you just had to find the best move and maybe even draw...

Feb-13-08  Boerboel Guy: Thought of Qxe6+ but that nasty little(BIG!) pawn on b2 is too powerful. Missed the solution :( ....well found Kasparov !
Feb-13-08  arieszodiac: First, I though it was a winning game for white, But i didn't seen a combination for a win
Feb-13-08  wouldpusher: I tried Bb6, also with the idea of perpetual check. Does it work too?
Feb-13-08
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  RandomVisitor: Better for black would be 41...Ne3:


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1. (-10.47): 41...Ne3 42.Be7 Qxe7 43.Qxe3 a4 44.Qe1 Rc1 45.Qxc1 bxc1Q 46.Rxc1 a3 47.Rc8+ Qf8 48.Rc2 Qb8 49.Kh2 Qxe5+ 50.Kh3 Qxe4 51.Ra2 Qd3+ 52.g3 Qd5 53.Ra1 a2 54.Kh2 Kg7 55.Kh3 Kf6

2. (-5.57): 41...Rg7 42.Qf6 h6 43.Qxe6+ Kh7 44.Re1 Nd2 45.Bb6 Qc1 46.Rxc1 bxc1Q+ 47.Kh2 a4 48.Qd5 Nf1+ 49.Kh3 Qa3+ 50.Kg4 Qg3+

3. (-3.78): 41...Rd7 42.Qf6 Nxe5 43.Be7 Qxe7 44.Qxe5 Qh4+ 45.Kg1 Rd2 46.Qxe6+ Kg7 47.Qf7+ Kh6 48.Qf3 Qd8 49.Qh3+ Kg7 50.Qe6 Kh6 51.Qh3+ Kg7 52.Qe6 Kh6 53.Qh3+ Kg7 54.Qe6 Kh6 55.Qh3+ Kg7 56.Qe6 Kh6 57.Qh3+ Kg7 58.Qe6 Kh6 59.Qh3+ Kg7 60.Qe6 Kh6 61.Qh3+ Kg7 62.Qe6 Kh6 63.Qh3+ Kg7 64.Qe6

Feb-13-08  mkrk17: I guess todays puzzle is in recognizing the fact that white is lost because of blacks pawn on b2. I am sure that if someone had told us that this game is to be drawn, we would have all found it out.

But since we were all searching for a win, i guess we missed it.

Feb-13-08  HNP: Well, I didn't get this myself! 43.Bc7!! is a brilliant resource (43...b8=Q?? 44. Qxe6+ mates and 43..Qxc7? 44.Qf8#). But how far back did Kasparov see this? Stunning play by the future world champ, then only 17-18 years old.
Feb-13-08  maxxowar: I've found 43.Bc7. I've not considered the b2-pawn. I've thought it was a win and not a draw. I've been very lucky :)
Feb-13-08  simsan: <HNP>, I guess Kasparov saw that it was a forced draw when the oportunity came. As <RandomVisitor> points out: If Tukmakov had found the correct knight move just prior to the puzzle diagram, Kasparov would have been hopelessly lost.
Feb-13-08  Toastman: i think 43.Bb6 fails after Qe7.
Feb-13-08  nolookmove: i saw 43.Bc7 but couldn't work out a win... and after 10 more minutes was contented with a draw...lol
Feb-13-08
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  dzechiel: White to move. Black is up three pawns! "Medium/Easy."

Poor Tukmakov! Up three pawns against the likes of Garry Kasparov, and his b-pawn one move away from promotion! What fate is to befall him?

I have been looking at this position for seven or eight minutes now, and I know that I must have considered the key move, because I have considered EVERY legal move for white (and some illegal ones, like 43 Kg1).

Well, now over ten minutes, and I'm not any closer. I'm going to try and look at each possible white move:

- 43 Kh2

If this is the winning key move, then it is perhaps time I took up a new hobby. It allows 43...Ng4+.

- 43 g3 or g4

These moves seem to serve no purpose, but not as bad as 43 Kh2.

- 43 Ra1, Rb1, Rc1, Rf2, Rf3, Rf4, Rf5 or Rd1, Re1, Rg1

The first seven are bad, bad, bad, they allow black to make checking moves that win material. The other three are possible, but they take the rook off of the f-file, which doesn't seem right.

- 43 Bc7

This was one of my candidate moves, but after 43...Rxc7 44 Qd8+ Kg7 I don't see how to make progress towards a win.

- 43 Bb6

Another candidate move. This at least attacks the queen, so it has some oomph. But once again, after 43...Rxb6 44 Qd8+ Kg7 I don't see a winning line for white.

- 43 Bxa5

More of the same, but less forcing.

- 43 Be7

Still another candidate, as it does attack the queen and threaten mate. But after 43...Qxe7 44 Qxe5 b1=Q it looks bad for white.

- 43 Qf8+, Qf7+, Qg7+, Qxg6+, Qh8+, Qf5, Qe7, Qf3

Ways to lose the queen without compensation.

- 43 Qg5, Qh4, Qf4, Qf2

Moves that allow 43...b1=Q without noticeably improving white's position.

This brings us to the first candidate move I considered...

43 Qxe6+

Black has two ways to parry the check:

- 43...Rf7
- 43...Nf7

The first seems good enough for black:

43...Rf7 44 Qe8+ Rf8 or even 44...Kg7.

I don't see a win for white.

It is possible that white is playing for a draw. I did notice in the 43 Bc7 line that there were chances for a perpetual check, eg:

43 Bc7 Rxc7 44 Qd8+ Kg7 45 Qf6+ Kh6 46 Qh4+ Kg7 47 Qf6+. This might very well be the solution.

This is the toughest "Medium/Easy" I can recall. I hope my brain isn't turning to mush in my old age.

Time to check.

Feb-13-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  dzechiel: Well this one was particularly tricky because it appeared that white might, just MIGHT, have a mating attack.

Once the mating attack is shown not to be there (the real work in the position), it's not THAT difficult to find the line that forces the draw.

Thanks for keeping us on our toes, chessgames.

Feb-13-08  Manic: Hehe <dzechiel> gave up on the candidate move options and done brute force computer style.

As for me, I was one of those 43.Bb6 people, but as <Toastman> points out, 43.Bb6 Qe7 and white is busted.

Feb-13-08  hovik2003: At first look on this position I knew white bishop should move to make room for queen check, but 43.Be7? is blunder because of 43...Qxe7, so I considered 43.Bb6 where Rook have to take and we get in the main line, but all the sudden I saw 43...h6! and black's king goes to h7 on queen check and wins. but 43.Bc7!! does it all with the threat of 44.Bxe5 next on anty black's response. Now after 43.Bc7 neither 43...h6 44.Bxe5!, or 43...Nf3 Qxe6+! works for black, so he have to take the bishop by his rook.

I would say this one was much tougher than two yellow stars that has been given to it.

Feb-13-08  hovik2003: 43...h6! is answer to 43.Bxa5? and not Bb6 which I dropped some how in above comment.
Feb-13-08
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  ahmadov: I was looking for a win :(
Feb-13-08
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  tallinn: I think this is not the ordinary wednesday level. Although I concluded that white has no better chance then a perpetual I thought Bb6 would do it: Qxb6 is forbidden, after Rxb6 there is the perpetual (Qd8+) and a Queen move would be answered by Bc5 or Bd4. But Fritz showed me the hole in my calculation: Bb6 Qd6 Bc5 Ng4! and white is lost.

After Bc7 one has to see Ng4 Qd8+ Kg7 Be5+!.

This should have been later in the week.

Feb-13-08  Alphastar: Well, it took me quite a while to decide that there isn't a winning line for white so white must be playing for a draw.

1. Bb6!

A) 1. ..Qxb6?? is impossible since the queen has to defend f8: 2. Qf8# B) 1. ..Rxb6 is OK but it allows 2. Qd8+ Kg7 3. Qf6+ Kg8 with a perpetual (3. ..Kh6 4. Qh4+) C) 1. ..b1=Q 2. Bxc5 doesn't help black.

Time to check.

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Got it wrong. 1. Bb6? allows a miracle win for black after 1. ..Qe5 2. Bc5 Ng4!

<Manic: Hehe dzechiel gave up on the candidate move options and done brute force computer style.>

Actually the original 'candidate moves' concept is applied here by <dzechiel>; The original idea was that all moves should be listed so as to not overlook/exclude any possibilities.

Feb-13-08  realbrob: At first I thought of some "Monday" queen sacs like 43.Qh8+, but that wouldn't work of course.

It seemed possible that White could have a mating attack but I could see none. Also moves like 43.Be7 fail unless Black is so stupid to take the B with the R.

Then I considered 43.Bc7. Black can't take with the Q because it's mate in one. So let's say 43..Rxc7 44.Qd8+ Kg7 45.Qf6+. After that I thought "no, that's just a dead draw. Well, I didn't have much time, let's check the solution".

I'd got it without realising it! lol

Feb-13-08  eblunt: Damn. I had Bb6, RxB and the draw, but I missed Qe7 preventing that. The subtlety appears to be that Bc7 prevents that Qe7 by interference.

Shame, I was on the right track. Tough for a Wednesday.

Feb-13-08  ConstantImprovement:

Well, no clear solution at first glance.

For the sake of ordering one's thoughts:

1. 43. Qf8+ Qf8: 44. Rf8:+ Kf8:

2. 43. Qe6:+ ...

2a. 43. ... Kh8 44. Bf6+ Rg7 45. Qd8+ Qf8 46. Qf8:#
2b. 43. ... Kg7 44. Bf6+ Kf8 45. Be7++
2c. 43. ... Nf7! 44. Qe8+ Qf8 (45. ... b1Q)

3. The position cries for interception or deflection: 43. Bc7

3a. 43. ... Qc7: 44. Qf8#

3b. 43. ... Rc7: 44. Qd8+ Kg7 45. Qf6+ Kh6 46. Qh4+ = (46. Rf4? b1Q+ 47. Kh2 Qbg1+ 48. Kh3 Qe3+ 49. Rf3 Nf3: )

3c. 43. ... b1Q 44. Qd8+ = (44. Be5:? Qf1:+ 45. Qf1: Qe5: )

3d. 43. ... Nf7 44. Qf7:+ Kh8 45. Be5+ Qe5: 46. Qf8#

3e. 43. ... Qf2 44. Qf2: b1Q 45. Qf8#

3f. 43. ... Rb8 44. Qe6:+ Nf7 (44. ... Kg7 45. Be5:+, and e. g. Kh6 Qh4#) 45. Qf7:+ Kh8 46. Qf6+ Kg8 47. Be5+)

4. 43. Bb6? Qe7 44. Qe5: Rc6: 45. Rb1 a4

Conclusion:
The solution should be 43. Bc7, with sample lines being 43. ... Rc7: 44. Qd8+ Kg7 45. Qf6+ Kh6 46. Qh4+ =
or 43. ... b1Q 44. Qd8+ Kg7 etc. =

Feb-13-08  Jason Frost: Found this like but didn't think it was the soulution as Kasparov was playing white.
Feb-13-08
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  awfulhangover: I searched a win, but gave up, since I couldn't find anything better than 43. Bc7! lol
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