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|Jul-07-13|| ||perfidious: <BOSTER>: For even a formidable player such as Kasparov to defeat a strong, solid GM as Salov was at his peak with Black is not at all easy; moreover, not every career result involving Kasparov is as one-sided as his mark vs Shirov, to name only one top player. A record of 7-4 between two top players is quite enough to confirm superiority, when multiplied many times over.|
|Jul-07-13|| ||Check It Out: <Jim Bartle:  As Salov once said in an interview with Inside Chess, "Kasparov isn't better than the other top players, he only wins because he has a big team working on opening novelties.">|
That sounds like someone's ego crying because he's been outshined in his career choice.
Here's the CG record between the two: search "kasparov vs salov"
3 Kasparov wins, 8 draws.
<squlpt> I think <BOSTER> meant no black wins for Kasparov against Salov, see the above record.
<GSM> Funny you should say that; as I played through the whole game I thought exactly the same thing. Kasparov's kinetic energy at the board probably made his opponents feel the same way.
I saw the line all the way up to 20...Be7, but 21.c5 came as a complete surprise to me.
|Jul-07-13|| ||geniokov: Whatever comes first <18.exf6 or 18.Nxe6> the principles of executing an attack or plan were almost the same!It will appear at the end asking yourself "Which continuation is decisive?"|
|Jul-07-13|| ||geniokov: By the way,Where is Valery Salov now? His current whereabouts? Anything heard about him?|
|Jul-07-13|| ||Dionysius1: For goodness sake - I'm flabbergasted! What a mixture of nerves/confidence and aggression it must take to play like Kasparov or Alekhine: to even think this kind of move might be worth exploring is (for me anyway) breath taking!|
|Jul-07-13|| ||RandomVisitor: <geniokov><By the way,Where is Valery Salov now? His current whereabouts? Anything heard about him?>|
Valery Salov (born May 26, 1964 in Wrocław, Poland) is a Russian chess grandmaster.
Salov was awarded the International Master title in 1984 and the Grandmaster title in 1986. He was the World under-17 Champion in 1980 and European Junior Champion in 1983-84. He shared the 1st place with Alexander Beliavsky in the 1987 USSR Championship but lost the play-off match (+0 -2 =2). At the 1988 USSR Championship he finished 3rd= with Artur Yusupov, behind Anatoly Karpov and Garry Kasparov.
He qualified twice for the Candidates Tournament for the World Chess Championship. In 1988, he reached the round of 16 but was defeated by Jan Timman in his first match (+0 -1 =5).
His best result was in the FIDE World Chess Championship 1996. He qualified for the Candidates and won his first two matches against Alexander Khalifman and Jan Timman, to reach the final 4. He then lost at the semi-final stage to Gata Kamsky.
<He has not played any FIDE-rated tournaments since January 2000.>
|Jul-07-13|| ||agb2002: This is game #55 in Igor Stohl's "Garry Kasparov's greatest chess games. Volume I".|
|Jul-07-13|| ||Catholic Bishop: hahahah touché! the 'anti-puzzle' puzzle
I bet most of you started calculating Nxe6 within the first 2 seconds of seeing this position
|Jul-07-13|| ||kdogphs: ^^^^ I agree with this... my first instinct was the text move though!|
|Jul-07-13|| ||BOSTER: Because tomorrow supposed to be Monday (according to ET), and <CG.com> always like to treat our players with queen sacr., I want to give you one pos. in advance where white sacr. the queen which is not very obvious.
click for larger view
white to play.
|Jul-07-13|| ||Patriot: I figured out the game line but not 21.c5. I don't think there is much to lose after 18.exf6.|
|Jul-07-13|| ||RandomVisitor: A final look at the position after 7.Qe2:
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Rybka 4.1 x64:
[+0.25] d=26 7...g6 8.g3 Nc6 9.Nxc6 Bxc6 10.Bg2 Bg7 11.Bf4 Nd7 12.Rc1 0-0 13.0-0 a5 14.Nd5 Ra7 15.Rfd1 Re8 16.h4 h5 17.Rd2
|Jul-07-13|| ||RandomVisitor: Valery Salov replies to Yasser Seirawan's Open Letter about FIDE. |
A private letter (that may become open if necessary) to Grandmaster Yasser Seirawan from GM Valery Salov, President of the WPC.
You are the old friend of mine and first of all <I would like to thank you for choosing me as one of your addressees and for sharing with me the content of your open letter to FIDE. I have a few remarks about it. In my opinion it's an utterly irresponsible, rude, unfair, callous, wild, shortsighted, demagogic, berserk, biased, prejudicial, arrogant, unmarketable, mistaken, perfidious and - forgive me for being tough with you - a totally mendacious document>. You must have been tragically misinformed by someone (probably by some unscrupulous members of the American Federation - AF) and used as a battering-ram in a disingenuous political game, aimed at destroying FIDE, chessworld and consequently the lives of your colleagues. Yasser, please, don't force me to scrutinize your letter clause by clause, save my time and your own reputation, don't get involved into a dirty political game which may only have a disastrous outcome for all of us. Tell people who are pushing you to contribute to the widening of a schism between the chessplayers that they are doomed to failure in their intrigues, that you have changed your mind on second thoughts, that you had a better judgement. Be a man, Yas, withdraw your letter immediately, repudiate it! Let's collaborate with FIDE, let's help it, let's provide our expertise to it - for the common benefit of all the chessplayers instead of trying to destroy everything! Don't degrade yourself to the level of a cheap and amateurish politico. Gens una sumus.
Yours respectfully, Valery Salov
Madrid, Spain, European Community June 14th, 2000
|Jul-07-13|| ||RandomVisitor: Yasser Seirawan's letter to FIDE <edited>|
Enough is enough
Dear Mr. Iljumzhinov,
The purpose of the present open letter is to register my despair and disgust over the current plight of FIDE and to highlight the urgent need for wholesale changes and a fresh start.
No international organization can ever hope to satisfy all of the people all of the time, but the key problem today is infinitely more serious: FIDE is no longer satisfying any of the people any of the time. When did FIDE last take an imaginative, workable initiative that received even a modicum of support from the chess world? When did it last deal with a major issue or event without shooting itself in the foot? Why has it stood by impotently as support and respect for it have evaporated, even amongst its traditional supporters? When did it last show any respect for the prestige of a game which is many centuries old? Above all, why has it allowed itself to become a laughing-stock through its serial incompetence?
The full catalog of disasters in recent years is too grimly familiar to need repeating here....
Credibility is hard won and easily lost. The recent fiascoes involving FIDE have been astonishingly numerous and various. Not all, I concede, are altogether FIDE’s fault. Top chess masters are strong-willed and there will always be disagreements and tensions between players and any governing body. Even so, how on earth has FIDE allowed itself to get caught up in multiple litigation, highly damaging whatever the outcome, with leading players Anatoly Karpov and Zsuzsa Polgar? Was it not your own election pledge to rectify the estrangement of Kasparov from FIDE events? Would it be unfair of me to suggest that besides the players just mentioned, Anand, Kramnik, Shirov, Morozevich and Galliamova are amongst those with angst towards FIDE? Are Champions Jun and Khalifman supportive of FIDE and its policies? For whom, pray tell, is FIDE working?
Your recent manifesto calling for the formation of a for-profit company to monopolize chess events hit an entirely new low...
To quote another prime example, the recent announcement of Tehran as the site for the upcoming FIDE Championship Finals is a travesty which has left me, and many others, barely able to contain our rage...
It surely hasn’t escaped your attention that the reality today is that FIDE is cheapening and destroying almost everything it touches...
Your legacy is all too clear. Never has FIDE been in such chaos. Never has its reputation sunk so low. Never has it been so isolated from reality. Never, in short, has there been a greater or more urgent need for a fresh start...
On a closing, personal note, I stress that I have no ax to grind about the past, or any political ambition for the future. My sole concern remains what is in the interests of chessplayers of all levels throughout the world. The record shows that although I have never hesitated to criticize FIDE when necessary, I have sometimes found myself almost alone among masters and writers in defending it. <Mr. President, it is time for you and your board to step aside.>
On behalf of chess,
IGM Yasser Seirawan
Seattle, Washington, United States of America
June 12th 2000.
|Jul-07-13|| ||patcheck: I see various possibilities and feels like 18. Nxe6 could be the most promising. Black have many possible answers and there are many sub variations. Let’s analyze some lines.
A) 18. … fxe6 19. exf6
A1) 19. … Bxf6 20. Qxe6+ Be7 [if 20. … Kf8 21. Qxf6+ Kg8 (not 21. … Ke8 22. Re1+ and mate next) 22. Kxg2 Qxc6 23. c5 and white will win the d6 pawn, be 03 pawns up with a passed pawn on d6]
21. c5 Bb7 (not 21. … dxc5 Kxg2 and white is a pawn up with a strong attack nor 21. … Bc6 22. Nc4 and black cannot play 22. … Bd7 because of 23. Nxd6+ nor 22. … dxc5 because of 23. Qxc6+)
22. Re1 (not 22. Nc4 because of 22. … Bc8) 22. … Qc7 (forced) 23. Nc4 with many threats (24. Nxd6+ / 24. cxd6 winning back the bishop / 24. Ne5 threating mate on f7).
Let’s check black possibilities :
A1a) 23. … Bc8 24. cxd6 Bxe6 25. dxc7 Rc8 26. Rxe6 Rxc7 27. Rxa6 (or maybe 27. Rae1) and white is three pawns up and should win relatively easily.
A1b) 23. … Rf8 24. Nxd6+ Rxd6 25. cxd6 and black is lost
A1c) 23. … dxc5 24. Rad1
A1c1) 24. … Rxd1 25. Rxd1
A1c1a) 25. … Kf8 26. Ne5 and black is lost, for instance :
26. … Bd8 27. Rxd8+ Qxd8 28. Qf7# / 26. … Bg5 27. Rd7 Qxd7 (to avoid mate) 28. Qxd7 and everything is over.
A1c1b) 25. … Bc8 seems to win for black. Indeed, doesn’t work 26. Nd6+ Qxd6 27. Qxc8+ Kf7 and white no has check and looses.
So the line A1c) : 18. Nxe6 fxe6 19. dxf6 Bxf6 20. Qxe6+ Be7 21. c5 Bb7 22. Re1 Qc7 23. Nc4 dxc5 25. Rad1 doesn’t work because of : 25. … Rxd1 26. Rxd1 Bc8!
And doesn’t work either : 25. Ne5 Bd5 nor 25. Nd6+ Rxd6, so in this line : 23. Nc4 seems wrong. So, what else ? The only other possibility seems to be : 23. Rad1
So let’s try : 18. Nxe6 fxe6 19. dxf6 Bxf6 20. Qxe6+ Be7 21. c5 Bb7 22. Re1 Qc7 23. Rad1
a) 23. … dxc5 24. Rxd8+ Qxd8 25. Nc4
a1) 25. … Bd5 26. Qe5 Rg8 27. Nd6+ doesn’t work either.
Time to look to the solution … Waouh: what a great combination. Did Kasparov foresee everything ? I don’t know but it’s an extraordinary combination.
|Jul-08-13|| ||JASAHA: I think Salov's critique of chess where one of
the players has a team of other players working
on opening novelties and database/computer sources is fair. That is what chess has become, and to keep up, vast amounts of information has to be processed. A player who does not do this is no worse a player. He/she just won't win as much and is at a disadvantage.
|Jul-08-13|| ||Check It Out: <RandomVisitor> Thanks for posting those letters, very interesting.|
|Jul-08-13|| ||Check It Out: <JASAHA> At the highest level having the skill to put together a good team is just as important as as winning the supported chess game for long-term results. |
To say that Kasparov is no better than other top GMs, just with a better team, is turning a blind eye to 20 years of domination and games written in stone.
|Jul-08-13|| ||JASAHA: I think that big patronage for big propaganda makes for some of the top rankings. I'd like to see Kasparov play Salov now in a FisherRandom tournament. After all the placement if the Knights and Bishops at the start of a game is arbitrary.|
|Jul-08-13|| ||JASAHA: Putting together a "high level team " requires money. Fischer defeated not only Spasky but also his team (single-handled). The era of Gentleman chess is dead. It is now all computers, databases, prep teams etc.|
|Sep-11-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: This game is Titanical.|
|Nov-03-14|| ||Strelets: Kasparov in the late '80s is the closest thing I've ever seen to Alekhine in the late '20s-early '30s. There is so much fire in their play; time and initiative triumph over material again and again as opponents are torn asunder. It's just one brilliancy, one display of unbridled imagination after another.|
|Jul-10-15|| ||Albion 1959: More typical "Kaspowerov" energy. A typical GK game with line opening pawn moves and subtle queen moves. I first saw this game when it came out. There are parallels with Alekhine and even Tal when you see games like this. Not even Fischer at his peak could play like this. I can't think of any of his games where he keeps up this kind of pressure.|
|Jul-22-15|| ||Albion 1959: Had another look at this game again. It looks as if 12.Nd5! ruffled Salov. Maybe if he had played g6 with a view to a fianchetto with Bg7 he may have fared better?
But he appears to be doing okay up to move 14, he only needs to castle and he will have a decent position. But from move 15 onwards Kasparov sees his chance and starting with 15.Bxf6 he puts Salov under pressure and never gives him a free move for the rest of the game !!
Moves like 17.e5 and 19.Nxe6!! are typical Kasparov. According to Rybka 16. Rc7 was better than Rd8? And also 17. Bxg2? allows the e-pawn to become a problem. Better was dxe, though after Nc6 white is still active, but black may yet be able to fend off the attack.
One of GK's lesser known attacking wins:|
|Mar-18-17|| ||Saniyat24: brilliant...absolutely brilliant...!!|
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