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|Feb-10-08|| ||DaveyL: slomarko, check out the kibitzing on the Rogers game.|
|Feb-10-08|| ||percyblakeney: If anyone has missed it, Kasparov and Rogers have been involved in another brilliancy prize discussion:|
|Feb-10-08|| ||MichAdams: <this is my opinion of Milov's play in that game>|
No, I was asking for a link to substantiate the claim that Kasparov told the truth about this game.
|Feb-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: "do you have any link for this accusation? and besides what do you mean "bad-mouthed"?"|
No link I know of, since it was the medieval age of 1992. It was an article by Yasser Seirawan in "Inside Chess" shortly after the Olympiad.
Seirawan, Anand, and Kasparov were all on the "Brilliancy Prize" committee, so there was some funny stuff. For example, Kasparov submitted FOUR of his own games.
In the first meeting, Kasparov started lecturing the others on the meaning of "brilliancy." Anand cut him off: "Gazza, we all know what a brilliancy is. Let's vote."
|Feb-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: Slomarko: By "bad-mouthed," I mean Kasparov came up to Seirawan several times and started criticizing several of Milos' moves. Seirawan was mystified (he said K wasn't even talking to him before because of a dispute in the GMA) until he realized Rogers-Milos was being talked about as a possible Brilliancy Prize winner.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||slomarko: this is Seirawan's version.|
|Feb-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: True enough.
Also, the Informant judges agreed with K, ranking Kasparov-Nikolic #2 in Informant 55, and Rogers-Milos #5.
|Apr-24-09|| ||falso contacto: this is rude.|
|Jul-09-09|| ||keypusher: <Seirawan, Anand, and Kasparov were all on the "Brilliancy Prize" committee, so there was some funny stuff. For example, Kasparov submitted FOUR of his own games.>|
Only four? Such modesty!
|Jul-09-09|| ||ozmikey: <this is Seirawan's version.>|
As to the conversations between Kasparov and Seirawan I couldn't say, but Seirawan's account of Kaspy's behaviour at the meeting of the judges afterwards was confirmed to me by Peter Parr, who was also on the committee.
|Aug-19-09|| ||whiteshark: <Rogers-Milos is definitely more flashy.> No doubt. |
Kasparov earned 50,000 pesos (converted ca 1,400 Euros) as price for this game.
To me, the whole thing reeks of hypocrisy.
|Aug-19-09|| ||Brown: I'll believe Seirawan over Kasparov any day of the week. Ego gets in the way of objectivity.|
|Aug-19-09|| ||slomarko: objectively speaking Kasparov's games are 2 or 3 classes above Rogers and Milos so i don't get what are you whinning about.|
|Aug-19-09|| ||whiteshark: Position after <11...dxe3> |
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"Here Kasparov sank into thought, which appeared to some onlookers to be a waste of precious minutes. Why not immediately play the obvious 12.Bxe3 and see, where Black's queen goes, before thinking? <12.fxe3> The question was answered. Remarkable. White deliberately gives himself an isolated e-pawn."
-- Murray Chandler
|Nov-01-10|| ||sevenseaman: Elimination of Black B on g7 and keeping his own on the b2-g7 diagonal is important for White. He chooses a very opportune moment to advance his e5 pawn when Black cannot exchange Bs.|
|Jul-18-11|| ||TheMacMan: kasparovs nxg7 is very unsound... rybka|
|May-03-13|| ||Fish55: I found 34. Rb7 and the continuation pretty quickly, but now am wondering if black could have played 35...Rf2.|
|May-03-13|| ||Fish55: To answer my own question, 36. Rf4 looks good.|
|May-03-13|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
The moves that catch the eye are 34.Rxg7 and 34.Rb7.
The exchange sacrifice looks bad after 34.Rxg7 Kxg7 35.e6+ f6 36.e7 Re8.
34.Rb7 looks better:
A) 34... Rxa2+ 35.Kb3
A.1) 35... Ra6 36.e6 Rxe6 (36... Bxc3 37.Rxf7+ Ke8 38.Rg8+ Nf8 39.Rgxf8#; 36... fxe6 37.Rgxg7 Rb6+ 38.Rxb6 axb6 39.Rxh7, etc.) 37.Rxg7 Nf6 (37... Re3 38.Rgxf7+ Kg8 39.Rxh7 + -) 38.Rgxf7+ and 39.Rxf6 + -.
A.2) 35... Re2 36.e6 is similar to A.1.
A.3) 35... Rf2 36.e6 Rxf3 (36... Re8 37.Rxf7+ Kg8 38.Rgxg7+ and mate in three) 37.e7+ Ke8 38.exd8=Q+ Kxd8 39.Rxg7, etc.
B) 34... Ra3 35.Kb2 Ra6 36.Rxg7 Kxg7 37.e6+ Kg6 38.Rxf7 Rxe6 39.Rg7+ Kh5 40.Rxh7 and White seems to have the better ending.
|May-03-13|| ||Bartimaeus: Following the week's trend this one seems suitably difficult. Looking at the puzzle position, the discovered threat on g7 becomes apparent but the procedure to achieve the same doesn't follow easily.|
Brute force doesn't work
A) 34. e6 Bxc3 35. Rb7 Rxe6 36. Kxc3 a6 and we're not really any further
Sacrifice doesn't seem too promising either
B) 34. Rxg7 Kxg7 35. e6+ f6 36. e7 Re8 and we have lost the exchange without much in return
Mate threats seem defensible
C) 34. Rb7 Re6 35. Rf4 Re7 36. e6 Bxc3 37. Rxf7+ Rxf7 38. Rxf7+ Kg8 39. Kxc3 Re8 40. Rxa7 Rxe6 and well, we have a pawn for our efforts but this is not convincing enough.
Well, in the game, i wonder why Nikolic played 34... Rxa2+. Can't find a much stronger response for 34...Re6. Perhaps something for the engines.
Tough nut today to appropriately conclude what's been a difficult week overall.
|May-03-13|| ||morfishine: Even if Black skips capturing the a-pawn with 34...Rg6, White waltzes to victory after 35.Rxg6 fxg6 36.e6 with the double-threat e7+ & capturing on g7|
<Bartimaeus> Good point here: <I wonder why Nikolic played 34... Rxa2+. Can't find a much stronger response for 34...Re6> The problem is the "doubled" Black pieces on the 7th rank: 34.Rb7 Re6 35.Rf4 f6 36.Rg4
It looks like a forced loss of a piece no matter what. There's something deep and mysterious about this game
|May-03-13|| ||Bartimaeus: <morfishine> Well, black doesn't have to oblige connection of white rooks on the 7th. If you look at my line C) above, 35. Rf4 can be better met by Re7 as opposed to f6. |
I don't think there's a forced loss of piece here. Of course, black gives up his a-pawn and takes on a cramped position but it seems better than what happened here. Maybe the comps will find something better.
|May-03-13|| ||Cubeseeker: Why did black take the pawn in his last move??|
|May-03-13|| ||Bartimaeus: <Cubeseeker> To prevent white's mate threat of 37. Rxf7+ Ke8 followed by Rxg7 and then mate on Rg8.|
|May-03-13|| ||mistreaver: Friday. White to play. Difficult. 34?
White's position is very strong, knigh on h7 makes a bad impression.
The general idea is to push e6 at some point and also to penetrate with the rook on the 7th rank via b7.
There is also exchange sacrifice on g7 which i think doesn't work.
So let's try:
34 Rxg7 Kxg7
35 e6+ Kf8
and white has nothing
this seems more logical, just to prove that white has a threat i will first play like a beginner for black:
35 Kb3 Ra6
36 Rxg7 Kxg7
37 e6+ Kg8
38 exf7+ Kf8
39 Ne5 and i think white is winning
while writing the text above, i noticed a "better defence" for black
34 ... Bh8
35 e6 Bxc3 (what else)
36 Rxf7+ Ke8
37 Rg8+ Nf8
38 Rgg8 mate
I would say that the best is:
34 ... Rg6
35 Rxg6 fxg6
36 Rxa7 altough i think white should win this endgame.
I will conclude my analysis here. I have this feeling that i missed some killer move, but will have to see how it really went.
Oops, i "guessed" correct, Rb7, obvious as it is, is very strong.
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