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|Jul-15-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: simpy embarassing|
|Jul-15-10|| ||Kinghunt: I believe the first four or five moves of this game were decided in advance by people other than Kasparov and Short. I think Kasparov was so ticked off at this he just moved without even trying to win.|
|Nov-20-10|| ||Igor Egin: 4...b5!?
Maybe Kasparov talked with Anderssen before the game :).
But I do not mind about this gambit. If you art an amateur - play it.
|Nov-20-10|| ||kingfu: Is it not amazing that The King's Gambit has been "written off" for years, decades?|
Many modern players , who are great, play The Sicilian and The Ruy Lopez. We do not want be too predictable, so we have two defenses.
Now, what happens , from time to time , is that someone crosses up The Spanish Game experts with The King's Gambit. It seems as if they are unprepared like GK in this game.
Does Rybka EVER play The King's Gambit? The BIOS does not allow taking chances, only calculation.
Take a chance, let's play Chess, left my prophylactic in my other pants, dime a dance romance.
Is it NOT the greatest feeling in the World to just GO FOR IT? Pull out the two handed swords and just munge until someone is toast?
Let us get MEDIEVAL on each other. Let us play CHESS.
I love this game! Thank you , Kinghunt for bringing to our attention.
It seems Anderssen is alive and well.
|Feb-05-11|| ||Tigranny: Nobody should ever try to copy the Immortal Game. Just my opinion, or they'll lose.|
|Mar-24-11|| ||FSR: They drew from a hat, and what they drew determined the first four moves of the opening. This may well have been the most ridiculous set of four moves in the hat. It was a popular line in the mid-19th century (Kieseritsky used it to lose the Immortal Game), and actually gives Black a plus score on CG's database, but it doesn't cut the cake in modern chess. Kasparov was not at all happy that he got stuck with this.|
|Mar-24-11|| ||MaxxLange: right, this was some kind of exhibition game that they did after the match was finished, for the people who still had tickets|
it proves nothing except that 4...b5? is a stupid move, even GK got a losing game quickly
Is this is "Rice Gambit" Rice was a rich guy, who paid GMs to play theme tournaments in his pet KG line, about 100 years ago
|Mar-24-11|| ||MaxxLange: eh, the Rice Gambit is something different:
|Mar-24-11|| ||FSR: 4...b5? is the Bryan Gambit.|
|Mar-24-11|| ||MrQuinn: Gary has never been known for his sense of humor or a magnanimous nature. He got rather more upset about this game than he should have. It was a piece of fluff, but he managed to infuse the event with unpleasantness over it. It brings to mind his dreadful behavior after the loss to the young Radjabov some years ago. One hopes that even he saw how badly he behaved on that occasion - but I wouldn't bet on it.|
|Apr-17-11|| ||cracknik: One of my all time favorite games|
|Apr-23-11|| ||drik: <WhiteRook48: why should this game be in the database?>|
Because it was played.
<What's the point in leaving a thematic game that Kaspy was forced to play...>
By 'leaving', you mean 'not removing'? The point would be honesty, I would say. As for being 'forced' to play, it was the players who chose to fill the empty schedule, with exhibition games - http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/93k...
Is it significant that in the 3 games with openings chosen from out of a hat, Short scored 2 draws & a devastating win? Does that say something about Kasparov out of prep?
|Oct-18-11|| ||fischer2009: <drik> It doesnt say anything about kasp out of the prep.For your kind information,kasparov was asked to play a clearly dubious pawn sacrifice b5 and defend a black position in which he didnt believe in.He wasnt playing the chess he learned throughout his life.So this game tells nothing about kasp out of the prep but it does tell something about the dubiousness of b5.|
|Oct-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: <So this game tells nothing about kasp out of the prep but it does tell something about the dubiousness of b5>|
Actually, it tells us something about both.
When you're looking for tells, check the view from both sides. Cubism helps.
|Jan-27-12|| ||Capacorn: <FSR: They drew from a hat, and what they drew determined the first four moves of the opening. This may well have been the most ridiculous set of four moves in the hat.> |
<MrQuinn: Gary has never been known for his sense of humor or a magnanimous nature. He got rather more upset about this game than he should have. It was a piece of fluff, but he managed to infuse the event with unpleasantness over it.>
I understand that Kasparov's ego got in the way on this day (and, apparently, on some other days), but does anyone know what opening variations Nigel got "stuck" with? Were they as bad as Garry's Bryan gambit? Was Kasparov so upset because he felt that he got the "short" end of the stick? (Heh, heh, heh....) From what I understand, Black is only slightly worse after 4...b5?! <Honza Cervenka> seems to think that Garry may as well have strewn the pieces across the board with his 10...gxh4.
|Jan-27-12|| ||FSR: <Capacorn> I think <McQuinn> and <Honza Cervenka> have it about right. 4...b5 is weak, but Kasparov was so upset at having to play this line that he was not going to even attempt to make a game of it. The other two "thematic" games were Kasparov vs Short, 1993 (Evans Gambit) and Short vs Kasparov, 1993 (King's Gambit, Cunningham Defense). All three were sharp gambit lines, but the other two lines were much more respectable, and both of those games ended in draws.|
|Jan-29-12|| ||Capacorn: Thanks, <FSR>. I wonder if Kasparov could've pulled a draw after 4...b5, but didn't feel like being bothered.|
|Jul-02-12|| ||e4 resigns: Here is what the mammoth book of chess games has to say:|
"This counter gambit was named after the American amateur player Thomas Jefferson Bryan, who was active in the chess circles around Paris and London in the middle of the nineteenth century Kieseritzky also took a shine to it, especially after his pretty win over Schulten...
However, it has always been considered, to put it mildly, somewhat dubious. That said, it has been utilized by none other than Garry Kasparov, although the circumstances were hardly normal.After comfortably defeating Nigel Short for the PCA World Chess Championship in 1993, the audiences at the Savoy Theater in London were treated to some exhibition matches between the two players. Kasparov won the rapid-play games by the convincing margin of 4-0.
Short, however, got some sweet revenge in the theme games, were chosen by the organizers. After 2 draws the proceedings were "spiced up" when Kasparov was forced to defend with the Bryan. Clearly disgusted with this choice, Kasparov could only last fifteen moves before resigning in a totally lost position, and storming of f stage to vent his feelings to the powers-that-be. Still, Kasparov couldn't complain too much. Batsford Chess Openings 2, written by Garry Kasparov and Raymond Keene, only gives White a slight plus in this line!"
|Jun-26-17|| ||dannygjk: GK blundered with 14...Qg3 that's why he resigned. Pure and simple. Also GK played several inaccuracies before 14...Qg3 so he didn't play the opening well at all.|
|Sep-17-18|| ||Williebob: Thematic games probably shouldn’t count toward the player’s Classical scores regardless of time control. Got confused about comments referencing Short’s “one win” against Kasparov, when CG gives two lifetime wins. I doubt Nigel claims two wins against Garry in classical chess!|
|Sep-17-18|| ||MissScarlett: <This game is type: EXHIBITION>|
Short does have two classical wins. I'll leave you to find them.
|Sep-18-18|| ||Howard: This game is about as useless as the six speed games that those two guys played back around 1987, in my view.|
As for Short's two classical wins, one was in '86, and the other was Game 16 of their 1993 match--correct ?
|Sep-18-18|| ||perfidious: Yet so much is made of this silly exhibition, same as the obsession with Geller's wins from Fischer and various other matchups.|
|Sep-18-18|| ||RookFile: Adolf Anderssen would have thought this was cool.|
|Apr-16-19|| ||cliffordagoodman: bazinga!!|
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