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|Jan-09-12|| ||Korifej: What is score betwen Kasparov and Kramnik in classical games?|
|Jan-09-12|| ||sevenseaman: I can only daydream of ever playing a game of this quality. Kasparov did it as if he was reading an open book he had already learnt by heart.|
Such elan, nonchalance and a contempt for any resistance, Kasparov may well have been the best player ever.
|Jan-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Looking at the final position, and recognizing that Kramnik did indeed blunder with 35...Qf8??, I started considering 35...Qe7 and looking at older posts that might touch base on this.|
Thankfully, I did find one.
Here it is: (The poster's handle is <who>, from 2005)
<<who>: Play sould continue 35...Qe7 36.Qh8+ Qf8 37.Qxf8+ Kxf8 38.b4 (holding black's pawns on light squares) and I would assume that a passed pawn in an endgame with bishops of the same color is enough to win. White would put his king on e3 then play f3 forcing a trade of pawns. Then play Bd4 <<LTJ: Probably refering to Be4>> and if black doesn't trade bishops and instead leaves the diagonal then start pushing the passed pawn/move the king to b6 allowing Bb7 forcing a bishop trade into a won endgame or winning the remaining black pawns.>
Sounds like a fair line and plan thereafter to me! Comments on this would be extremely appreciated.
|Jan-09-12|| ||Gogia: this is a great game|
|Jan-09-12|| ||KingV93: Phenomenal and shocking tactical elan. Like crashing through the villians hideout window on a rope with a dagger in your teeth.|
<DrMal> Excellent analysis and commentary. Thank You.
|Jan-09-12|| ||Ratt Boy: <IRONCASTLEVINAY: Who could have imagined at move No. 27 that h4 pawn will promote into a queen in another 5 moves>|
To state the obvious: Garry Kasparov.
|Jan-09-12|| ||kevin86: A queen sac in that caliber of a game! Amazing!|
|Jan-09-12|| ||Chessmensch: With all that's been said about 27.h5, note that both Deep Fritz 12 and Deep Rybka 4 identify that as the overwhelmingly preferred move in about half-a-second.|
|Jan-09-12|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: So <chessmensch>, what you're saying is that strong computers can calculate tactics really fast?|
|Jan-09-12|| ||ajile: <DrMAL: he missed 25...Bd5! blundering with 25...Re8?>|
A really interesting position. Indeed 25..Bd5 was a great move since it not only defends the Rb8 but also blocks White from playing an immediate Rd6.
In fact 25..Bd5 gives Black a noticeable advantage.
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Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit :
1. (-0.82): 4.Nd4 b4 5.cxb4 Ba8 6.Bf5 Nxf5 7.Qxf5 Rd8 8.Nc2 Rxd1+ 9.Kxd1 Rxg2 10.Rg3 Rxg3 11.fxg3 Qe6 12.Qxe6 fxe6 13.Ke2 Kg7 14.Nd4 Bd5 15.Ke3 f5
2. (-0.98): 4.Bh5 Bxe6 5.Bxg6 Nxg6 6.Qxf6+ Kg8 7.h5 Bxh3 8.Rd6 Qc5 9.hxg6 hxg6 10.gxh3 b4 11.Rc6 Qh5 12.Rc7 Rf8 13.cxb4 Qxh3 14.Kb1 Qd3+ 15.Kc1 Qf1+ 16.Kd2 Qb5 17.Qd4 Qf5 18.Ke1 Re8 19.Qd7
|Jan-09-12|| ||Milesdei: After 13. h4 why doesn't black capture with the bishop? I'm sure there's a good reason, I'm just not seeing it. Thanks for any help.|
|Jan-09-12|| ||Sastre: <Milesdei: After 13. h4 why doesn't black capture with the bishop?>|
13.h4 Bxh4 14.Qh5 wins the bishop.
|Jan-09-12|| ||Penguincw: Black's final move looks like a blunder.|
|Jan-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Here's another great tilt between Kramnik and Kasparov from 1994.|
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994
|Jan-09-12|| ||MyDogPlaysChess: <DrMal>, could you please slow down? I can't keep up! Just kidding - Thanks!|
|Jan-09-12|| ||MyDogPlaysChess: <ajile> Black was winning already. Kramnik went from a winning to a losing game. (My silicon friend which is much smarter than me)|
|Jan-09-12|| ||Isbjorn: I'm not so sure Bd5 would've lead to a won position for Kramnik. Playing this out with Stockfish at a depth of at least 24, typically more, each ply lead to a R+K vs. R endgame. Stockfish evals fluctate between -1.5 and -2 in the beginning of the line, slowly growing to reach approx. -3 and then suddenly go back towards zero as the endgame doesn't quite work out. Maybe there is an improvement somewhere, but white can offer a lot of resistance.|
25. .. Bd5 26. Nd4 b4 27. b3 Rbg8 28. Bh5 Rxg2 29. c4 Rg1 30. Nc2 Rxd1+
31. Bxd1 Ng6 32. Qe3 Qxe3+ 33. Rxe3 Bb7 34. Nxb4 f5 35. Rg3 a5 36. Na2 Rd8
37. Nc3 Nxh4 38. Rg5 Bc8 39. Nd5 Be6 40. Nf6 Ng6 41. Nh5 Ne5 42. Nf4 h6 43.
Rg3 a4 44. bxa4 Bxc4 45. Kc2 Rd6 46. Rg1 Rc6 47. Kb2 Kh7 48. Kc3 Ng6 49.
Nh5 Bd3+ 50. Kd2 f4 51. a5 Ba6 52. Bg4 Rc5 53. Nf6+ Kg7 54. Nxe4 Rxa5 55.
Bd1 Bb7 56. Bc2 h5 57. Kc3 h4 58. Ng5 Ra2 59. Kb3 Bd5+ 60. Kc3 Kf6 61. Nh7+
Ke7 62. Re1+ Kd6 63. Rd1 Kc6 64. Nf6 Bf3 65. Be4+ Bxe4 66. Nxe4 f5 67. Nd6
Ne7 68. Nf7 Re2 69. Kd4 Rxf2 70. Ke5 f3 71. Rc1+ Kb6 72. Rb1+ Kc5 73. Rc1+
Kb4 74. Kf4 Ng6+ 75. Ke3 Rg2 76. Kxf3 Rg3+ 77. Kf2 Rg4 78. Nh6 Rg5 79. Nf7
Rg3 80. Nh6 f4 81. Nf7 Kb5 82. Nd6+ Kb6 83. Nf5 Rg5 84. Nd4 Kb7 85. Kf3 Ka8
86. Ne2 Rf5 87. Kg4 Rf8 88. Nxf4 Nxf4 89. Kxh4 Kb7
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|Jan-09-12|| ||ajile: < Isbjorn: I'm not so sure Bd5 would've lead to a won position for Kramnik. >|
I actually had similar results with 2 ten minute games where I had Rybka play against itself. Both games ended in draws. Black was a pawn up but couldn't convert to a win.
But pawn up is still much better than the game continuation.
|Jun-01-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF KASPAROV.
Your score: 40 (par = 37)
|Jun-29-12|| ||freeman8201: Alright...now it's time to play Ne2!|
|Jul-04-12|| ||Conrad93: 24...fxe6 25. Qxf6 Rg7 26. Rd7?!
How does black respond?
|Dec-16-12|| ||SaVVy66: I think 24.Rg8xg4 for black is awesome move why dint vlad thought of that...? any suggestions..|
|Dec-16-12|| ||Nerwal: 24... ♖xg4 25. ♘g5|
|Nov-06-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: I like this combination better than the Topalov "immortal" combo.|
Queen and rook sac only to have a queen come right back, equalize in material terms, and Black's king is way to exposed at the end.
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