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Deep Blue (Computer) vs Garry Kasparov
"Tangled Up in Blue" (game of the day Oct-16-2016)
IBM Man-Machine (1997), New York, NY USA, rd 6, May-??
Caro-Kann Defense: Karpov. Modern Variation (B17)  ·  1-0


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Aug-31-13  mmousez: Let's not be harsh on Garry. In a recent interview with Sir David Frost, he said about this game: 1. Both he and Deep Blue missed a way for Black to save the game. He didn't go into the specifics, so perhaps a chess expert can elaborate on this one. (I am thinking maybe after 8. Nxe6 fxe6, 9. Bg6+ Ke7. Even though the Black King is in the middle, there's no way of getting to it.) 2. This was a rematch, and people forgot he won the first match. So technically, the score is 1-1. The interview is available on Chessbase.
Sep-01-13  JoergWalter: Well, instead being the last chess champion who could beat a computer and thus defending the human race Kasparov became the first champion that got beaten. Maybe carrying the burden of the human race was too much. Even against bugs in the program

Sep-01-13  JoergWalter: kasparov was able to swing a dollar out of that

Apr-04-14  tranquilsimplicity: <Serenpidity.ejd> "..or else I will switch loyalty to Karpov!"

I honestly do not mean to be insulting or patronising nor give a lesson in philosophy but I could not resist commenting on the above words. What you have for Kasparov is not loyalty. The term loyalty implies being supportive of somebody or a group of persons you like for whatever reason, especially when they are facing difficulties; that is when the word loyalty is used with any significance.#

Apr-13-14  The Rocket: <"He gambled on the computer not knowing what to do in the opening.">

No, he did not. Kasparov claims to have simply forgot. The theory of gambling doesn't make a hole lot of sense anyway, in this particular case, since the computers opening book missing the knight sacrifice, would not lead to any advantage at all for black. So what would Kasparov gambling about, when there's nothing to gain. Nonsense.

Apr-15-15  Paraconti: If only Kasparov hadn't lost faith in his Sicilian after his previous night's crush against Morphy!
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  offramp: Playing through this game is obvious to me that Kasparov took a bung to lose. 11....b5?? That's not even funny!!
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  whiteshark: Mankind is doomed:

Today the DeepMind engine <AlphaGo> beat the currently best (9 dan) Go player, Korean <Lee Se-dol> in their 1st game (of a 5 game match).

Mar-09-16  Shams: Here is a writeup of Game 1:

Sodol better load for bear next time.

Mar-09-16  Shams: From my link. Hard to read this and not think of the famous Caro-Kann debacle that cost Garry the 1997 match.

<Everything was fairly standard until Lee played Black 7, which was quite unusual. It appeared that Lee had prepared a strange move to test AlphaGo’s strength in the opening.

Perhaps he also wanted to play an opening that AlphaGo was unlikely to have seen before, while crunching millions of positions as part of its training process.

Regardless, it wasn’t a good idea, because it didn’t lead to a good result...>

Mar-10-16  Shams: I don't speak German but it looks like 2-0 for AlphaGo.
Mar-10-16  Shams: "Yesterday, I was surprised, but today I am quite speechless," Lee said. "If you look at the way the game was played, it was a very clear loss on my part. Yesterday I felt like AlphaGo played certain problematic positions, but today I felt that AlphaGo played a near perfect game. There was not a moment I felt like its moves were unreasonable."

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  whiteshark: DeepMind beats Lee Se-dol again to go 2-0 up in historic Go match: Full game
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  WorstPlayerEver: Not a clear loss. Not at all.
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  WorstPlayerEver: PS I am referring to this game, not a go game.
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  WorstPlayerEver: <rwbean> <page 12/Dec-04-10>

Rybka 4: 11... Nh7 12. Bg3 Ng5 13. Nh4 Nf6 14. Qd3 Bd7 (loses pretty quickly)

Yeah, but ironically 14... b5 is a far better take.

Oct-16-16  belgradegambit: A tribute to an unlikely Nobel Prize winner.
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  wtpy: Belgradegambit, some early poetry was likely sung, so in a sense the Nobel prize was just coming full circle.
Oct-16-16  RookFile: The Petrov Defense would have been a good choice for Kasparov. It was certainly something he knew well (for example, he used it against Karpov), and it is lot safer for black than this nonsense.
Oct-16-16  JimmyRockHound: belgradegambit - and one of the most deserving in recent years...
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  Abdel Irada: ∞

<wtpy: Belgradegambit, some early poetry was likely sung, so in a sense the Nobel prize was just coming full circle.>

As a matter of fact, not only poems as we think of them but things we now think of as great works of literature (such as the Iliad and the Odyssey) were sung.

And if you look at traditions in Arabic verse, *all* of those poems were sung.

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  morfishine: Lets see, Joel Benjamin with a computer beats Kasparov, who doesn't have a computer

Am I supposed to be impressed?


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  Abdel Irada: ∞

Now, you see, this is what you get if you're Kasparov and you play the Karpov Variation.

Oct-16-16  tea4twonty: < and everyone of them words rang true, <<<<< Tangled Up in Blue <<<<>>>>>>>>>>
Oct-16-16  4tmac: 8..x♘! was necessary....playable....did he get too clever by half; forget; or something.
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