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Victor J Frias Pablaza vs Karl Burger
"Burger and Frias" (game of the day Aug-19-2004)
New York HER (1983), 2
Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov Variation (E12)  ·  1-0


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  An Englishman: Dear Chessgames: Did you hire these guys to play this game for the sake of the pun?
Aug-19-04  hollowone: The game dates back to 1983... :P
Aug-19-04  zugzwangninja: 55. ♖g6 - Zugzwang! ;)
Aug-19-04  HailM0rphy: I can just see the smile on the persons face when they came upon this game ;)
Aug-19-04  Andrew Chapman: It's not strictly a zugzwang, I think, because there is a threat in this position (Qxd6) which he needs to prevent. In a zugzwang, as I understand it, you would be OK if you just didn't have to move.
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: yey i beat <cu8sfan> again
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  cu8sfan: <xiaolin> On the other hand you were beaten by five other kibitzers! Better get up even earlier! (-:

O what a pun! So much fun!

Aug-19-04  hollowone: I agree with <Andrew Chapman>. I don't see how this qualifies as zugzwang, since white is threatening to rip black's pawns apart. If it were now white's turn instead of black's, black would not be okay. Hence it is not zugzwang.
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: well i got up at 6 this morni but my comp takes ages to load up so i just forgot about it <cu8sfan> a good place to plau chess is just donload the demo and playing is free until august the fith
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: German for "compulsion to move." Instead of automatically recapturing material, one player makes a move that creates a larger threat (such as mate) and gets the material later.
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: so there kinda like in between moves
Aug-19-04  TomThumb: A good strategic game. A Q-side advance results in a passed b6-pawn then the attack shifts to the King's side. But where did Black go wrong? Should he have played a7-a5 at some point possibly combined with swapping off the b7-Bishop,playing the b8-Knight to c6,and trying to get some play along the b-file so as to put some restraint on White's Q-side pawns? Does anybody have some suggested improvements for Black?
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: yeah ? sorry, me neither
Aug-19-04  xiaolin: <> you have 2 games of the day today. this one and B Tasic vs Dorfman, 1993 whats up with that ?
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  kevin86: This is not really Zugzwang as white can win with -b7 followed by b8=Q. Burger and Frias-where's the soda to wash it down? ha ha!!
Aug-19-04  Larsker: <you have 2 games of the day today. this one and B Tasic vs Dorfman, 1993 whats up with that ? > Today, it's la carte.
Aug-19-04  poktirity: Burger and Frias - rofl
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  Zenchess: <TomThumb> I propose ...e4 as a culprit; it opens lines up for White (a1-h8) so that he is either tied down to guarding g7 or gives up doubled pawns as in the game.

That is unless Black missed a later piece for two pawns sac somewhere.

Aug-19-04  Andrew Chapman: <Does anybody have some suggested improvements for Black?>I may be wrong but perhaps 32..axb6 would have been better. An isolated passed pawn needs defending whereas a supported one does not.
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  Zenchess: First of all, 11...Ng5 might have given Black the better game. It trades off a valuable White defender and brings the Q out to g5 where it can hit g2.

Instead of 18...e4, 18...g6 would have been better, freeing up the Rf8 and preparing ...Nf6-e6.

I agree that 32...axb6 would have given Black better chances than in the game; however, White is still much better because of his R-penetration and outside passer.

Aug-19-04  notsodeepthought: A good time to resign, as white will eventually checkmate the Burger King (I am late on this post, but surprisingly nobody has come up with this rotten pun yet).
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  Zenchess: ...or eat him for breakfast, lunch, & dinner ;)
Aug-19-04  longwave: Reviewing this game I get the feeling that blacks defense was entirely to passive for almost the entire game.
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  Zenchess: And how would you have played more actively?
Aug-21-04  Calchexas: <An Englishman: Dear Chessgames: Did you hire these guys to play this game for the sake of the pun?

Almost exactly what I would have said had you not posted first.

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