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Sep-29-05
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| refutor: great finish by petrosian |
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| Oct-07-05 |
| ThunderStorm: A very admirable and beautiful finish by Petrosian! |
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| Nov-20-05 |
| solstys: According to Fritz, after 49. bxc5 Qh4 50. Qxg3 Rxg3 51. bxc6, white has the advantage. Any opinions? |
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Nov-20-05
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| Albertan: I agree with the comments of An Englishman. 16.Nd5 seems like a timely idea, and if Black were to continue 16...Rc8 then White can play 17.Bg5 which practically forces Black to play 17...Bxd5. Now if White were to play 18.cxd5 after 18...Qb6 White has to avoid the discovered check and play 19.Kh1 Qxb2 20.Rc2 (gaining a tempo for the pawn). If you put this variation into a program like Hiarcs 8 it suggests that White has compensation for the pawn. |
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Nov-20-05
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| Albertan: I wonder if Keres considered playing 44.Nb5 instead of 44.Rb1 then after 44...Bxb5 45.cxb5 Qf8 Black's queen and one of his rooks is tied down to the defense of the weak d-pawn. |
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Nov-20-05
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| Albertan: Solstys your variation looks very good for White especially after 51...Qd8 52.b7 Qb8 where the Black queen is forced to blockade the White passed pawn. |
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| Nov-21-05 |
| solstys: <Albertan> That's exactly what Fritz says. White has a very strong advantage in that variation, which is essentially forced. |
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Jan-28-06
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| dakgootje: Yes brilliant finish...now if only i could play chess that way too... |
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| Mar-26-06 |
| CapablancaFan: Petrosian's play is so accurate and so exact it just makes Keres moves look childish. |
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Aug-26-06
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| notyetagm: 51 ...  xf4+!! |
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Jan-26-07
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| oldsjc: Doesn't 50. Nf3 hold it for white? After 50....ef,51.gf the rooks defend the second rank. |
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| Mar-08-07 |
| Hans Jochen Peters: If no improvement for black can be found in the line given by Solstys, certainly Petrosjan´s combination and possibly even his whole strategie is put into question. It would really be nice to have R.Keene´s view on this game ("my favorite game of all time"!!)
in the light of the 49.bxc line. - Another example for an "immortal chess beauty" going down the drain? |
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| Jun-09-07 |
| sanyas: If 49.bxc5 h4 50.xg3 then 50... xg3 is horrible: 51.cxb6 d8 52.b7 b8 53.fc2 xa3 54.c5 dxc5 55.xc5  f7 56.xf5+  xf5 57. c6. But if instead 50...xg3, Black should at least draw, eg. 51.b3 g4 52.cxb6 c8 53.e2 g6 54.d1 b7. |
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Sep-19-07
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| notyetagm: <ray keene: I chose this game as my favourite game of all time in my book learn from the grandmasters.> Wow, great choice. Absolutely -stupendous- play by Petrosian. |
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Oct-15-07
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| arsen387: Nobody in this world could attack and defend with such terrific accuracy like it did one of the greatest champions of all times Tigran Petrosian.
And about this game. It is fantastic. One can't express all the beauty of it with humble words. All you can do is to look at it speechless and just admire. |
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Dec-07-07
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| InspiredByMorphy: I at first thought maybe white had a defensive resource with 48.Qe2 but 48. ...Nd3 is still crushing. Petrosian often seems to attack out of the blue. I'm sure his mostly "defensive" style of play contributes to this. |
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| May-17-08 |
| norcist: lol wait wait in Keene's and simpole's book on petrosian, the authors claim to be revealing the q-sac for the first time....but it appears solstys beat them to it (Nov 05). Unless solstys is mr julian simpole...i certainly hope due recognition isn't being withheld from our pioneering kibitzer!!! (if i am wrong on this apologies to GM keene) |
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Jan-09-09
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| andrewleef1: Great finish by Petrosian!!!! |
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Apr-10-09
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| DrGridlock: < solstys: According to Fritz, after 49. bxc5 Qh4 50. Qxg3 Rxg3 51. bxc6, white has the advantage. Any opinions? > Computer analyses can date quickly- especially if they're not done with advanced programs, or to a significant depth. Rybka scores White's continuation at move 49 as follows: Be2 -.07
Rf3 -.09
Rfc2 -.24
Rfd2 -.30
bxc5 -.54
all other continuations: -1.5 or better for black.
Rybka's best line for white is:
Be2 Qh4
Rf3 exf3
Nxf3 Qh8
Qd4 Ne6
Qf6 Qh5
Nh4 Rf7
Bxh5 Rxf6
Rybka's line for White's bxc5 continuation is:
bxc5 Qh4
Qxg3 Qxg3
Rb3 Qg4
cxb6 Bc8
Be2 Qg6
Bf1 Rb7
Rb5 Bd7
After White's game continuation at move 49 (Rfd2) the game can still be saved, but after Qh4 it is important for White to continue -
Nf3 exf3
gxf3 Re7
Qd4 Bc6
Qxd6 Bxf3
Rg2 axb4
where Black's advantage is -.30
After White's continuation at move 50 (Be2), the game can still be saved so long as White replies to Rh7 with Bh5, though after:
Bh5 Rxh5
Kf1 Nd3
Ne2 Nxb2
Rxb2 Qh1+
Ng1 Rh4
bxa5 bxa5
Rybka's score of a -.53 advangate for Black is a good game for Petrosian. All other continuations other than Bh5 lead to a forced mate for Black. Black's combination beginning with 47 ... Rg3 is a "speculative combination" in that it does not lead to a forced win for Black, but demands accurate play by White. In all lines Black is no worse than even, with opportunities for a Black win if White plays inaccurately. Keres made small mistakes with 49 Rfd2 and 50 Be2, and a gigantic mistake with 51 Kf1. |
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Apr-10-09
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| ray keene: fascinating stuff-the book i wrote with julian simpole on petrosian v the elite was published in 2006, but we had finished writing it well before then. when we found the queen sac which we thought was new and probably wd have saved keres, we had never seen it anywhere before-the november 2005 date for its appearance here suggests to me that we had already found it but not yet published it! in any case the masterly tour de force by < dr gridlock> indicates that the position is deeper and richer than even i had thought , but it in no way invalidates petrosians grandiose combination-thanks for some great work |
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Apr-16-09
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| Nezhmetdinov: <ray keene> I loved your Learn from the Grandmasters book - it is where I first encountered my (assumed) namesake in Tal's entry and marvellous games such as Benko vs Suttles, 1964 and M Stean vs Browne, 1974
It was a great format - you really should do another, it is lovely to see the top player's chess taste. |
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| May-15-09 |
| drnooo: Anyone who is wont to leave Keres out of the top ten players of all time should look at the games between these two guys. They met probably when Keres was a tad past his prime,but still, neither could really make a dent in the other.
If Korchnoi is right in calling Keres one of the few real masters of attack, and everybody of course Petrosian the supreme master of defense, there you have it: always a day at the carnival. What a sideshow. |
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May-20-09
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| arsen387: The finishing combination of this game starting with Rg3 is just astonishing. Pure genius! |
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May-20-09
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| ray keene: <nezh> thanks for the compliment |
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| May-24-09 |
| Hugh the Drover: A Queen sacrifice to lure the other Queen away from being able to intercede against a first-rank rook mate, supported by a Damocletian pawn. |
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