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| Apr-28-05 | | Resignation Trap: In "Pal Benko, My Life, Games and Compositions", Benko wrote: "In this all-important game, I was a bit better, and adjourned. A while later, Petrosian and Geller came to me in secret and offered to help me beat their own countryman! I was disgusted. Telling them that it would be a draw with best play, I demanded that they leave. However, when we resumed, Keres made an error, and I won." "This result crushed poor Keres, but his suffering wasn't over yet! In my next and final game I played Geller. Geller vs Benko, 1962 |
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Apr-29-05
 | | Gypsy: Lifetime results amongst these four are like this:
Benko-Keres +1 -10 =6
Benko-Petrosian +0 -7 =9
Benko-Geller +1 -3 =5
Keres-Petrosian +3 -3 =30
Keres-Geller +9 -7 =21
Petrosian-Geller +3 -5 =35
For the grand totals of:
Keres +22 -11 =57 (56%)
Geller +15 -13 =61 (51%)
Petrosian +13 -14 =74 (49.5%)
Benko +2 -20 =20 (28.5%) |
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| Apr-29-05 | | delterp: On a side note, my understanding of the KIA is the advance of the e pawn supported by the d pawn. Since the e pawn never advances far, is this truly a KIA??? |
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| May-18-05 | | aw1988: Yes, of course it's a KIA by definition. For example in the Grunfeld. The main aim being to attack the centre avec force. Sometimes black is even slightly cramped, without the usual exchange Grunfeld most Grun players are familiar with. Is it still a Grunfeld? Yes. |
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May-18-05
 | | keypusher: <Gypsy> Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute! From your figures I get Petrosian scoring +13-8=74, or 53%, vaulting him into second place. Where did you find those extra six losses? Anyway, from your figures (thanks for gathering them!), I conclude: These guys played an awful lot of draws; and
Pal Benko, despite his virtues, did not belong at Curacao. |
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May-18-05
| | Gypsy: <Where did you find those extra six losses?> Have no clue. It should be +13 -8 =74 (53%) for Petrosian, as you say. (Should have done a check-sum.) <Pal Benko, despite his virtues, did not belong at Curacao.> Well, he earned the right to play there fair and square. The swagger, however, with which he still mocks Paul Keres and tong-lashes Petrosian/Geller, seems a bit out of place. |
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May-18-05
| | keypusher: <He earned the right to play there fair and square.> I don't agree, because he finished tied with Gligoric and Stein at Stockholm for the last spot at Curacao, but Stein was not eligible. Stein won the three-way playoff to determine sixth(?) place. The hollowest of victories. |
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May-18-05
| | Gypsy: <keypusher> Yes, it looks like Stein earned to be at Curacao '62 -- one of many cases of FIDE justice. We should not blame FIDE rules on Benko though. I do not see Gligo advancing, however; perhaps you ment Filip?
For the relevant life-time score, Benko-Stein +0 -2 =5. The more I look at Benko's results versus the real "top-guns", the less I understand his swagger. He has things to hang a proud chess career on. Why to hold such a grudge against Keres and take so much pride from being the last piece of sand that once derailed a great man?? |
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May-19-05
 | | perfidious: Having read Benko's columns in Chess Life for many years, there's no doubt of a somewhat pompous undertone; why? Who knows, really ? All these numbers prove is that Benko had a hard time of it at the very highest level. At least he made it that far, which is more than some fine players can say ! If there are winners, someone must, perforce,lose also. |
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May-19-05
| | keypusher: <Gypsy> Filip scored one place higher than Stein-Gligoric-Benko at Stockholm, I think. Can't find a crosstable. |
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| May-19-05 | | aw1988: Stockholm 1962
1. Fischer 17.5/23
2-3. Geller Petrosian 15
4-5. Korchnoi Filip 14
6-7-8. Gligoric Benko Stein 13.5
9-10. Uhlmann Portisch 12.5
11-12. Pomar Olafsson 12
13. Bolbochan 11.5
14-15. Barcza Bilek 11
16. Bisguer 9
17-18. Yanofsky Bertok 7.5
19-20. German Schweber 7
21. Teschner 6.5
22. Cuellar 5.5
23. Aaron 4 |
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May-20-05
| | Gypsy: Thanks <aw1988>. I was trying to see what happened at Stockholm '62 via chessmetrics data, but I could not get a clear count because there were "not-rated" players involved in the tournament, or some other problem. It seems that during the playoff, Stein elliminated Gligoric and Benko thus squeezed in because Stein, as the 6-th "Russian" was not elligible to go. Lifetime Stein-Gligo-Benko stands thus:
Stein - Benko +2 -0 =5
Stein - Gligo +7 -1 =1
Gligo - Benko +5 -2 =10
Stein +9 -1 =6 (75%)
Gligo +6 -9 =11 (44%)
Benko +2 -7 =15 (39.5%)
Let me just say that Chess Fortunes turned rather unkind to both, Keres and Stein. |
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| May-20-05 | | aw1988: And Ljubojevic. |
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| May-20-05 | | aw1988: And Steinitz, and Alekhine, and Tal... |
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| May-20-05 | | aw1988: Fischer.. |
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| Nov-06-05 | | offramp: There was a playoff but Gligoric fared very badly:
Stein xxx = = 1 1 3.0/4
Benko = = xxx 1 - 2.0/3
Gligo 0 0 0 - xxx 0.0/3
He lost once to Benko and twice to Stein.
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Nov-06-05
 | | Calli: Crosstable http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/616... (thank you Mr Weeks) |
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| Nov-07-05 | | ughaibu: Interesting that Geller did best at the top of the table ie qualifiers and play-off members. Pity about the candidates tournament, I wonder if it was another case of "nerves"(?) |
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| Mar-11-07 | | e4Newman: why couldn't keres put the dsb on d6 at about move 15 or so it provokes white to counter on the c-file (like he was going to do anyway), and targets the weak dark squares in front of white's king |
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Oct-07-08
 | | Ulhumbrus: Instead of 41...Ra4, 41...Ra8 prevents Rd8 and threatens the manoeuvre ...Nf8-g6-h4-f3+ |
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| Jul-15-09 | | belgradegambit: GOTD title:
A Whiter Shade of Pal |
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Aug-05-12
| | perfidious: What defies logic is why Stein was included in a playoff for the final spot if he couldn't play at Curacao anyway. Benko and Gligoric should have gone at it heads-up. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | edbermac: <perfidious: What defies logic is why Stein was included in a playoff for the final spot if he couldn't play at Curacao anyway. Benko and Gligoric should have gone at it heads-up.> Not necessarily, Tal was in poor health and might not have played there at all, which would have given Stein a chance to participate in Curacao. Given the fact that he had to withdraw after 3 laps due to a recent operation indicates he probably shouldn't have been there in the first place. |
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Nov-27-12
| | perfidious: <edbermac> Most would probably not have played at Curacao in such circumstances, and I agree-it was likely foolhardy, especially in that enervating climate. What operation did he have prior to Curacao? There is the well-known photo of Fischer visiting him in hospital during the candidates, but Tal's event was done with by then. |
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| Dec-05-12 | | edbermac: <What operation did he have prior to Curacao? There is the well-known photo of Fischer visiting him in hospital during the candidates, but Tal's event was done with by then.> In his book Tal said he was suffering from kidney colic around that time. He wound up having an operation about 2 months before Curacao. It probably took him a few weeks to recuperate, giving him little time to prepare for the Candidates. Add to the fact that he smoked like a fiend and drank like a fish, which did no help at all. I think even Korchnoi stated that Tal never ever took care of himself. |
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