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|Mar-17-10|| ||hedgeh0g: <Yes, there's no doubt about it. Defensive technique has improved to the point that these 19th century gambits are no longer playable.>|
Kasparov vs Anand, 1995
|Mar-17-10|| ||TheChessVids: How is GOTD only now?|
|Mar-17-10|| ||shakespeare: Kasparov vs Anand, 1995
you can not compare this - the evans Gambit is a sound gambit - the Muzio is maybe playable if the opponent does not know it :-)
|Mar-17-10|| ||ballroomblitz: King`s gambit? - Of course! Charousek-Lasker (Nuremberg 1896)|
|Mar-17-10|| ||Once: If only all Muzios ended like this, we would all play the King's gambit.|
I enjoyed the play from here, after 15...Kd8
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White has several ways to mate. We've already had 16. Bxc7+ Ke8 17. Qf8# pointed out in the kibbitzing. I like the look of 16. Qf8+ Qe8 17. Bxc7#
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... proving, I suppose, that knight's aren't the only pieces who can do smothered mates.
And after 16. Qf8+ Bxf8 17. Re8+ also leads to mate but one move slower than Bxc7.
|Mar-17-10|| ||patzer2: <GrahamClayton: <patzer2>Of course if 9. ..Qf5! is a forced win (as Fritz 8 analyzes) for black, this would be merely academic.
Raymond Keene in the "Complete Book of Gambits" gives White an advantage after 9...f5 10.g4 g6 11.f4 f6 12.e5 d6 13.f6 g4 14.g2 g8 15.h1 f5 16.d5. Can you post some of the Fritz 8 analysis?>
How time flies! I made my initial post in 2003, indicating 9...Qf5! wins for White. However, I missed <GraghamClayton>'s reply six years later.
Now seven years later, here's some Fritz 10 analysis, showing Black's win with 9...Qf5!:
9... Qf5! 10. Bxf4 Bg7 11. Be5 Qxf3 12. Rxf3+ Nf6 13. Nc3 d6 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. Nd5 Bf5 16. Rxf5 (16. Nxf6 Kxf6 17. Raf1 Nd7 18. Rxf5+
Kg6 ) 16... Ke6 17. Rxf6+ Kxd5 .
|Mar-17-10|| ||patzer2: Apparently Lapkin was no slouch as http://www.chess.com/games/view.htm... indicates he had a 2200 rating at the time this game was played.|
Despite Black missing the 9...Qf5! resource, this was not such a badly played game on his part. However, after Shirov's surprise mating attack on the helpless Black King position with 15. Bd6!!, Lapinski was busted.
|Mar-17-10|| ||desiobu: Exciting chess. Shirov gives material in going after initiative and a lead in development.|
|Mar-17-10|| ||JohnBoy: For a bit I thought that 15...Qg7 would hold black together. But 16.Nxc7+ Kd8 17.Qf8+ will eventually force the e7 bishop to move, allowing Re8#. Gotta love it.|
|Mar-17-10|| ||playground player: <Once> The fun thing about the King's Gambit is that you don't know how the game is gonna turn out!|
|Mar-17-10|| ||kevin86: The gifts come early-two pieces-and late-the queen. The mate comes soonest.|
|Mar-17-10|| ||patzer2: Oops! Correction, as I meant 9...Qf5! wins for Black. Perhaps this was indeed the last lap for the Muzio gambit in Master play.|
|Mar-17-10|| ||drpoundsign: not smothered mate but semi smothered mate|
|Mar-17-10|| ||drpoundsign: if black had gotten the pieces out and castled this would not have happened. It was an un-brilliance|
|Mar-17-10|| ||hedgeh0g: <if black had gotten the pieces out and castled this would not have happened. It was an un-brilliance>|
That's like saying "If Usain Bolt's competition were faster, he would not have become Olympic Champion". Sometimes brilliance is at its clearest when it's put into perspective.
|Mar-17-10|| ||donehung: Funny enough this was one of the first opening lines i ever learned. Although this line has been refuted i still find the kings gambit an amazing opening. I once owned a book by Christiansen on the gambit and was enthralled with it for sometime. It seems that at top level play white dosent get enough advantage with it to be played, but at lower levels is a good suprise weapon, and underrated for its potential for postional advantages in the endgame.|
|Mar-17-10|| ||black.pr0jekt: thats what u get for playing stupid moves|
|Mar-18-10|| ||patzer2: I accidently left the computer on overnight analyzing the Muzio gambit after 9...Qf5!|
Then I went through the variations to sort out the best of the bunch. So here's a more complete guide, using Fritz 10 with a lot of sliding back and forth at 20 ply, to busting the Muzio variation of the King's Gambit with 9...Qf5!:
9...Qf5! 10. Bxf4 Nf6! 11. Be5 (11. Nc3 d6 12. Bg5 Qxf3 13. Rxf3 Nbd7 14. Nd5 Bg7 15. Raf1 h6 16. Bxf6 Nxf6 17. Nxf6 Ke7 18. Re1+ Kd8 19. c3 h5 20. Nd5 c6 21. Rf7 Bxd4+ 22. cxd4 cxd5 ) 11... Qxf3 12. Rxf3
Bg7 13. Nc3 d6 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. Nd5 Bf5! 16. Rxf5 (16. Nxc7 Be4 17. Rf4 d5 18. Nxa8 Rc8 19. Raf1 Nd7 20. Nb6 axb6 ) 16... Ke6 17. Rxf6+ (17. Rh5 Bxd4+ 18. Kh1 Na6 ) 17... Kxd5 18. c3 Na6 19. Rf5+ Ke6 20. Raf1 Rae8 21. g4 Re7 (-2.16 @ 20 ply).
|Nov-25-10|| ||ketchuplover: not bad Shirov. not bad at all.|
|Nov-25-10|| ||profK: I had a Corespondence Chess colleague who spent about 3 years studying the Muzio, but never played it in CC ! However, in 12 games he played cross board, he won them all without an endgame. Pehaps the Fischer defence 3...d6 and 4...h6 was actually invented to just avoid the Muzio !!!|
|Dec-22-10|| ||kevins55555: Very similar to the Immortal game =)
Shirov has a great attacking flair=P
|Jul-20-11|| ||dadoktor: ALEXEY IS GOD :D(Not anymore tho i think he has dropped this crazy playing style and he now doesnt have the balz for it)|
|Feb-10-12|| ||computer chess guy: <patzer2: busting the Muzio variation of the King's Gambit with 9...Qf5!> After 9...Qf5 10. Bxf4 Nf6, correspondence players have often played 11. Qe2, although White's position is still difficult.|
|Mar-05-13|| ||hyperactivemodernist: Brilliant!|
|Aug-27-14|| ||kontoleon: Leads to 12.Qh5+ Qg6 13.Qe5+ Be7 14.Qxh8 Nc6 15.Qc3 Bf6 16.Qb3 Nd4 17.Re1+ Ne7, which loses a rook. Better is Bg7, leading to 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Ne4 Qf5 14.g4 Qg6 15.Bxc7+ Kg8 16.Rae1, which loses a pawn.|
Leads to 15.Bd6 Nf6 16.Bxe7 Nxe7 17.Nxe7 Qg5 18.Ng6+ Kf7 19.Nxh8+ Kg7 20.Re7+ Kxh8 21.Qxf6+ Qxf6 22.Rxf6 Kg8, which wins a queen, a bishop, and a knight for a queen, a rook, a bishop, and two knights. Better is Nge7, leading to 15.Nxc7+ Kd8 16.Nxa8 d6 17.Qd1 Nf5 18.Qd5 Bd7, which loses a rook and a pawn.
from my chess program
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