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Aug-18-09
 | | jackpawn: Well, that was easy. Forced mate, end of story. Unlike yesterday when I couldn't make the queen sac work and kept thinking I must be overlooking something simple. |
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Aug-18-09
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Yesterday was a mistake <jackpawn>, did you read all the posts? |
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| Aug-18-09 | | drnooo: What's going here. Mail by Pony Express just a few blocks away? Who was delivering the postcards? How long would it take to see a forced mate like this? How long did these guys look at alternate moves in those days before yelling for the mailman? Or maybe they drank a lot in the evening. Totally unbelievable this was an on the natch correspondance game where anybody with half a mind and a few minutes and the price of a stamp would have missed a mate in two before zipping off their reply. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | Summerfruit: Material is even.
Mate in two:
8...Qxf1+ 9.Bxf1 Nf3# |
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Aug-18-09
| | jackpawn: <AJ> Oh, I know, but I didn't know it until I finished 'solving' the problem and then read the other posts. Actually it made me feel better because my judgement was right, winning the exchange wasn't a clear win - but was the best move in the position. |
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Aug-18-09
| | LIFE Master AJ: <drnooo> I understand your frustration with this game. However, this was typical of chess for that period. |
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Aug-18-09
 | | YouRang: My first impression was, "Wow, this Manko fellow really butchered the opening in a hurry". My second impression was "I gotta move my queen, and taking the rook is probably the solution, and yes, in fact it's mate in two". |
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Aug-18-09
| | LIFE Master AJ: <You Rang> Believe it or not, Manko was not so bad. The ChessBase db has him defeating Alekhine, (I submiited the PGN game score this morning); and a DB of correspondence chess has him defeating Tchigorin. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | jsheedy: I saw this right away. It looks like white was trying to play the worst moves possible! |
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| Aug-18-09 | | SamAtoms1980: Somehow it took me a minute to see that our queen is attacked. 8 ... Qxf1+!! 9 Bxf1 Nf3 mate!
CG.com, this is your "really good puzzle?" I know the final mating position is attractive but.... Hmmmmz..... |
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Aug-18-09
 | | AnalyzeThis: Give white credit for his honesty. It's obvious he didn't use a computer when he played this game. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | jfshade: Looks like a Monday to me. |
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Aug-18-09
| | wals: [Event "corr"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1900.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "V Manko"]
[Black "Jankowitz"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C30"]
[Annotator "Rybka 3 1-cpu (30m)"]
[PlyCount "18"]
C30:  ing's Gambit Declined
1. e4 e5 (1... Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 ) 2. f4 White
threatens to win material: f4xe5 (2. Nf3 Nf6 ) 2... Bc5 (2... exf4 3. Nf3
) 3. Ne2 (3. Nf3 d6 4. c3 Nf6 ) 3... Qf6 (3... d6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 )
4. c3  revents intrusion on b4+d4 Nc6 (4... Ne7 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 )
5. g3 (5. b4 Bb6 ) 5... Nh6 White's piece can't move: c1 (5... d6 6. Bg2
) 6. Bg2 (6. b4 Bb6 7. b5) 6... Ng4 (6... O-O ) 7. Rf1 ?? BLUNDER gives the
opponent new chances (7. d4 and White hangs on exd4 8. e5 ) 7...
Nxh2 8. fxe5 ?? BLUNDER cause more grief (8. Rh1 Ng4 9. d4 exd4 10. cxd4
Nxd4 11. Nbc3 ) 8... Qxf1+ Deflection: f3 9. Bxf1 (9... Nf3# Mate attack)) 9... Nf3#
0-1
The above may be of interest to those seeking help. |
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Aug-18-09
 | | morfishine: 8...Qf2+ 9.Rxf2 Bxf2 also mates; depends on your tastes |
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Aug-18-09
 | | Once: Let's have a bit of fun with this one. Rewind to the crucial position and see what white was thinking. Black has just played the unconvincing 6...Ng4 and white has this position on his board:
click for larger viewWhite's 4.c3 sets up his big idea of pawn break with d4. But black seems to have this well covered by the knight, bishop, pawn and queen. So white plays into a flawed tactical line. He "prepares" d4 by temporarily sacking a pawn. This is what he has in mind - 7. Rf1 (so that white can open the f file with tempo) Nh2 8. fe Qxe5? 9. d4 (at last!) Qd6 10. Rh1 
click for larger viewAnd in this line, white attacks two black pieces and will win one of them pretty soon. There are two problems with 8. fe. The first is that it allows mate in two, as we have all found. But there is another way to win (admittedly more slowly) from the puzzle position. Black could also have played the cute 8...Nxe5: 
click for larger viewNow, 9. Rxf6? loses to 9...Nd3#
White's best is probably 9. d4 Nxf1 10. dxc5 (10. dxe5? Qf2#) Nh2. Black has won the exchange plus a pawn. But as <LIFE Master AJ> has quite rightly pointed out, white would have had a pleasant position after 7. d4 ed 8. e5. So I think that white can consider himself embarrassed in three different ways. Not only does he miss a simple way to gain the advantage with 7. d4, but his over-elaborate tactic starting with 7. Rf1 actually has two tactical flaws - 8...Qxf1+ and 8...Nxe5. Not a good day at the office. |
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Aug-18-09
| | Once: <morfishine: 8...Qf2+ 9.Rxf2 Bxf2 > 10. Kxf2? |
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| Aug-18-09 | | felixd: Wow... Pretty easy. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | VincentL: 8.... Qxf1+ 9.Bxf1 Nf3#.
Like last week, for me the Tuesday puzzle easier than the Monday. |
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Aug-18-09
 | | Sneaky: I think after yesterday's blunder Chessgames is starting the week again from scratch. This has Monday written all over it. Although--oddly--that checkmate move with the knight is a little hard to visualize. I bet a lot of people started off thinking "it's got to be Qxf1+" then gave up on that line because they missed Nf3#. |
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Aug-18-09
| | Sneaky: <morfishine: 8...Qf2+ also mates; depends on your tastes> No it doesn't mate, you are seeing things. It's OK we all do it. If this puzzle has an alternate solution it has to be 8...Nxe5 which does not mate but wins material. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | WhiteRook48: 8...Qxf1+ 9 Bxf1 Nf3# easier than monday |
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| Aug-18-09 | | xequemate: an alternative mate may be 8... Nxf1, if white plays incorrect 9 Bxf1? Qf2++ |
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Aug-18-09
 | | playground player: It's games like this that give the King's Gambit a bad name. |
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| Aug-18-09 | | gofer: 8... Qxf1+
9 Bxf1 Nf3# |
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Aug-18-09
| | LIFE Master AJ: I also saw the ...NxP/e5 idea. (With the idea of RxQ/f6??, Nd3#.) However, I did not bother to mention it for several reasons: # 1.) As <Once> pointed out in his excellent post, its NOT forced. # 2.) Its the result of an inferior move.
# 3.) My <annotated game> post was already pretty lengthy, I was afraid I would run over. (Actually, my first version had a comment after every move ... a weak attempt at humor. However, when I tried to post it, it was not allowed, as it was too long. So I deleted the whole game and started over.) |
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sac: 8...Qxf1+