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Paul Morphy vs Alonzo Morphy
New Orleans 1848  ·  King's Gambit: Accepted. Bishop's Gambit Greco Variation (C33)  ·  1-0


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Oct-12-05   arielbekarov: <OJC> I need to study the analyse carefully that you have posted.
This is exactly what I need.
Thank you for a good start!
Ariel
Oct-12-05   e4Newman: Ironic quote of the day considering your valiant efforts, don't you think?
Oct-12-05   arielbekarov: < e4Newman: Ironic quote of the day considering your valiant efforts, don't you think? >

Indeed!

<Quote of the Day

Morphy was an artist; and the best way to enjoy an artist is not to dissect him.

--- Sergeant >

So, how to interpret Sergeant? Let me give it a thought.

I understand what Sergeant says. But, I think, he is more tricky than one can think at the first sight. Though, we have this danger, for example, in classical music, where insensitive musicologists dissect masterpieces of a J.S.Bach, a J.Brahms and a S.Rachmaninov; the interpretations by pianists like S.Richter and G.Gould; without understanding anything of the art and the artists.

Though, if we have this in mind, we should do our best like the great masters W.Steinitz and M.Botvinnik did in detail, analyse the art of Paul Morphy. The attitude must be to learn and not to search for flaws; certainly one can find them even in Morphy's play. In a way we face the same problem, while analysing Mikhail Tal. Probably many of his sacrifices can't be defended under the cold eye of an electronic miroscope. If we analyse Tal in this way, we do ourselves indeed only a disfavor.

Why was Albert Einstein such a giant?

He was, in my opinion, a great artist in his analytical scientific approach.

I regard chess as the epitome of art/science/sport and having this in mind, I do believe that one should analyse Paul Morphy's art. We can learn so much.

<e4Newman> When I read this quoting it gave me the idea that Sergeant is right and ... wrong. Perhaps, one can interpret him in this way: "Go ahead! Analyse the games of Paul Morphy, but do it in the sense of what we can learn from him. Analyse Paul Morphy in detail, but be aware of the great artist!" Personally, I will never understand the genious of the violinist Jasha Heifetz, but one can learn immensely much by analysing his art of playing the violin.

<e4Newman> Well observed!

Ariel

Oct-12-05   e4Newman: Well said. Good art and science go hand in hand. In my profession we use mathematical models to project future conditions. In the end though, it is the art of judgement that is quite critical to the overall analysis of the scenario. Those projections are best used as a measure of the sensitivity to the various factors, not as a prediction of the future.

By analyzing chess games we can hope to become better judges (develop the art of judgement, as you say) of strengths, weaknesses and tactics.

Oct-12-05   Makofan: If 6... Qf6 is 7.e5 a good move?
Oct-12-05   OJC: Good eye < e4Newman >. I've noticed that chessgames.com often picks appropriate quotes of the day.

However, I always thought that Sergeant was referring to Morphy the man himself, not his chess games; namely, don't worry that Morphy the man only played seriously for a couple of years, had an idle adulthood and may or may not have collected women's shoes. Instead, concern yourself only with his beautiful chess games.

I take a similar view when I enjoy analyzing games of guys like Alekhine and Fischer.

< Makofan > 7. e5 looks like a good continuation. Black might respond 7. ... Qf5.

< Ariel > I'll post thoughts on the next Morphy game in a day or two.

Oct-14-05   arielbekarov: <OJC><However, I always thought that Sergeant was referring to Morphy the man himself, not his chess games; namely, don't worry that Morphy the man only played seriously for a couple of years, had an idle adulthood and may or may not have collected women's shoes. Instead, concern yourself only with his beautiful chess games.>

This is the right interpretation, I think.

<I take a similar view when I enjoy analyzing games of guys like Alekhine and Fischer.>

I cannot stand the personality of Alekhine, but he was a brilliant chessplayer. One has to study him as well. Exclusively, concentrate on what is happening on the board.

The outer universe is enormously fascinating, but what about our internal one? A human being is so complex and chess appears to me as one of the famous mirrors of our soul.

Ariel

Oct-14-05   arielbekarov: The idea behind 8. ... c6 is to play d5 and to stop Nd5, but too passive; isn't black losing tempo?

What about this line? 8. ... Nh5 (defending f4)
9.Rg1 ( with the idea of 10.g3 and simultaneously get out of the fork-position) Qf6 10.e5 Qh6 11.g3 g5 and a more complicated game.

or 8. ... Nh5 9.Nd5 Qd6 10.e5 Qh6 11.Rg1 g5 12.Nxb6 axb6 13.Qf5 and interesting, perhaps ...

I haven't worked it out meticulously,
so you are welcome to point out my mistake, or perhaps, tell me, if I've got something.

Ariel

Oct-14-05   OJC: Ariel, I'll check your lines early next week and post on game three.

In the case of 8. ...c6, note that it doesn't actually support 9. ...d5 since after 10.exd5 cxd5 Black loses his Queen to 11. Re1. It is because of this flawed plan that Paul obtains the passed pawn on the d-file.

Have a good weekend.

Oct-17-05   OJC: At move 8, Crafty at depth of 14 ply prefers to give up the f-pawn immediately with ..d6 followed by 9. Bxf4 0-0 and gives white a small (+0.34) advantage.

After 8. ...Nh5 Crafty gives white a larger advantage (depth 15 ply, +1.14) following: 9. e5 h6 10.Nd5 Qf8. Also, 9.Nd5 is considered almost as good as 9.e5 by Crafty. Protecting the f-pawn does not look worth the bother.

If after 8. ...Nh5 9.Nd5 Qd6 I think the state of Black's Q-bishop is too much locked in and the kingside looks vulnerable to attack.

Dec-01-05   Chopin: 18. Rxe6 and the Queen is gone. Even an 11 year old Morphy was too much talent for his father to handle.
Jan-14-06   morpstau: Paul morphy was incrediable
Jan-15-06   Jim Bartle: I think I've read that something similar to that post somewhere before.

Oh, yeah. On about every single d--- page on this website!

Jan-16-06   morpstau: Paul Morphy was invincable!
Jan-17-06   blingice: The double threat at the end for a revealed double check/mate could be stopped only with a Q loss.
Jan-17-06   blingice: <morpstau> http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Mmm, 59 lost games, looks like he ISN'T good...

<Jim Bartle> You HAVE to love that defiant post above yours.

Jan-17-06   blingice: Sorry, 51 lost games. Still is an AWFUL player, gosh, Morphy is worse than C Super (Computer).
Jan-18-06   Jim Bartle: If anybody is wondering, the ALLCAPS post which was above my previous post, a general diatribe, has been expunged, not only from this page but from at least a dozen others I saw.
Jun-17-06   Rocafella: Be6 is a blunder of huge proportions. I mean, fancy putting a piece on e6 when white already has a lot of pressure on it, and even more can be added. Also, that happens to be the file that the queen is on! Honestly!!
Jun-17-06   Rocafella: And the diagonal that the king's on!
Jan-25-09   WhiteRook48: after Rxe6!! Black is busted as the discovered checks. Wow. Morphy was not worse than C Super, he played more often.
Feb-24-09   whitebeach: What is with this yo-yo <blingice>? Almost all of the games Morphy lost were at strong odds--a knight, a rook, at best pawn and move. Maybe bling should take off a knight next time he plays some tough opponent and see how that goes.
Apr-20-09   fparnon: Morphy was an incredible player for his time, but in the modern era he would probably not do as well because he would actually have some competition, rather than simply stomping on everyone he played. Another thing is that all of his lines are well known now.
Jun-14-09   xmanter: A popularly held theory about Paul Morphy, is that if he returned to the chess world today and played our best contemporary players, he would come out the loser. Nothing is further from the truth. In a set match, Morphy would beat anybody alive today. – Bobby Fischer
Jun-14-09   WhiteRook48: Morphy, I think everyone agrees, was the greatest of them all. - Bobby Fischer
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