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Gustav Richard Neumann vs Jean Dufresne
"Gustav Wind" (game of the day Apr-30-2006)
Berlin Congress GCF (1863), Berlin GER
King's Gambit: Declined. Classical Variation (C30)  ·  1-0


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  al wazir: <WannaBe: Can someone explain the pun to me?> winned = won

I think black does better with 8...Nxf3+.

Apr-30-06  Seraphina: That's good advice on the KG. Mind you, Dufresne's error I think was wasting time trying to develop the QN instead of taking the pawn on f4, which should never get to f5, where it sort of cuts the board in two and prevents Be6 or getting the queen onto g6. Especially after allowing the opening of the h file! There is a game betw. Averbakh and Kotov that has a similar theme, though it is far more complex than this one. (Old Indian, I think 1952 or something)
Apr-30-06  SJP: <al wazir> I don't like 8...Nxf3+. It seems White has a decent attack after 9. Qxf3 Nc6 10. Qh5 h6 11. f5 Nd4 12. Bxh6 b5 and mate in 4. A better defence seems 9...c6, but I think White still has the advantage, I am looking at it now.
Apr-30-06  SJP: 9...c6 also gives the advantage to White. For a few moves, the game becomes rather positional. 10. Bd2 Nd7 11. 0-0-0 d5 12. exd5 Nf6 13. fxe5 Bg4 is best. White has two minor pieces for the rook and a much better position.
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  al wazir: <SJP:> Can't black defend with 9. Qf6 and maybe 10...Be6 ? 10. Qh5 is answered by either 10...h6 or Qg6.
Apr-30-06  SJP: After 9...Qf6, I would play 10. Nd5 Qd8 11. fxe5. Here, 11...dxe5 is best, but after 12. Qh5 h6 13. Bxh6, White mates.

9...Be6 is better, but White has the positional advantage after 10. Bxe6 fxe6 11. Qh3 h6 12. Qxe6+ Rf7 and should go on to increase it. A possible line is 13. Bd2 Qd7 14. Qg6 Rf6 15. Qg3 exf4 16. Bxf4 Bb4.

Apr-30-06  Atking: Well my Fritz still play 8. ...Ng4. This game refuted this move in 1863! 11.f5! a strong move indeed.
Apr-30-06  EmperorAtahualpa: If you change the pronounciation a little, you also get "Gustav Winnt", which means in German "Gustav Wins"! :)

Great pun!

Of course I understand the "Gust of Wind" idea as well, but it only works if you read "Gustav" in the English/American way. In German it is pronounced more like "Goostaav".

Apr-30-06  thathwamasi: I think dufrense has the jinx of always being on the opposite end of great brilliance.
Apr-30-06  CapablancaFan: 7...Nxh2? Was winning a pawn worth opening up the h file for white's pieces especially when the black king has already castled on that side?
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  WannaBe: <EmperorAtahualpa> I must say, the pun was rather difficult for me. And it was not because of pronounciation, one of my favorite composer is Gustav Holst. The Planets.
Apr-30-06  outplayer: <THE pawn>"The most important thing to remember when you have black in the king's gambit is never to attack too quickly white's king." I have won many games playing white side when black castles long in king´s gambit. I think Fischer´s variation is the best way to play against the marvellous king´s gambit- my preferred weapon as white. I like Fedorov style.
Apr-30-06  Seraphina: <Emperor> just a little correction... Gustav gewinnt is the correct German alas. Alas , because the pun goes out the window.
Apr-30-06  durnstein: You are surprised that many of the puns are a stretch?
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  patzer2: There's nothing wrong with 7...Nxh2. In fact, it may be the best move. The follow-up needs improvement though, as 10...Nf6?! and allowing 11. f5! with advantage is not best. Instead, Black should play 10...exf4! 11. Bxf4 Nc6 12. Nd5 Nd4 13. Nxd4 Bxb4 14. c3 Be5 with a positional advantage.
Apr-30-06  McCool: <thathwamasi> Like this game: Anderssen vs Dufresne, 1852
Apr-30-06  LPeristy: ...And that, students, is why you should never decline the King's Gambit.
Apr-30-06  weisyschwarz: I think you can decline a King's Gambit, and live to tell about the win.
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  kevin86: A good idea in the king's gambit is to attack-a bad idea is to open lines for the opposition to get his licks in.

The mate is a twist on the two bishops mate-this one tosses in a discovered check.

May-02-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <Seraphina> Every German would understand my pun despite the absence of the "ge" prefix in "gewinnen". So use your imagination a little!
May-02-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <one of my favorite composer is Gustav Holst. The Planets.>

<WannaBe> Excellent choice! Do you have it on CD? If so, which recording? I prefer the one by John Williams and the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra.

May-04-06  dakgootje: So all together there are a lot of puns possible...

Good to know at least one thing i want to avoid when playing black in this opening (i always decline the gambit)...

<one of my favorite composer is Gustav Holst. The Planets.> which reminds me that i seem to know near nothing about (some kinds of) music, though of course, that obvious at my age...

Dec-29-06  Whitehat1963: How about making a weekend puzzle out of this one after 13...Qe8?
Mar-30-07  MasterSavely: this would be a good puzzle
Sep-08-07  frank124c: The f5 move is indeed interesting. I think it was Emanuel Lasker who first used it. Can someone tell me if I am right about this?
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