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David S Thompson vs George Henry Mackenzie
"Stuck in the Middle With You" (game of the day Jan-10-06)
ENG 1868  ·  King's Gambit: Accepted. Rosentreter Gambit (C37)  ·  0-1


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Mar-06-04
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  knightfly: 8.Qe2? Qxd4+ 9.Kb3 Qb4# The white queen needs to defend the d pawn.
Jan-10-06   OJC: The first "wrong" move is 6. Kd2. The rook sacrifice 6. g3 fxg3 7. Qxg4 g2+ is a book line that favours white.
Jan-10-06
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  kevin86: <OJC> I remember that series of moves in a famous game by Bird-He also sacs his queen to win a few moves later.
Jan-10-06   OJC: Bird vs NN, 1869
Jan-10-06
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  al wazir: The only reason for playing 8. a3 was to stop black from playing Bb4+. 8. Nxc6 (which white played on the next move anyway) does this just as well. If 8...bxc6 then 9. Qxg5, threatening Qxf5. If 8...dxc6 then 9. Qe2.
Jan-10-06   Laskerfan82: <BiLL RobeRTiE>, are you the same Bill Robertie who is former world backgammon champion?
Jan-10-06
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  patzer2: Black's 11...Qxd4+!! forces a mate in four after 12. Kxd4. If 12. Kd2, then 12...Qe3+ 13. Kc3 Bg7+ 14. e5 Bxe5+ 15. Kc4 Be6# is the mate. Note that if 13. Kc4, then 13...Ba6# follows.
Jan-10-06   blingice: He hasn't been here for a half year.
Jan-10-06
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  meloncio: About the pun: 'Stuck in the Middle With You', a nice Gerry Rafferty's song that appears in Tarantino's movie 'Reservoir Dogs'.
Jan-10-06   itz2000: so 12Kxd4 was a mistake then...
what are the white chances if he escapes?

Well the only possibliy is
12. Kd2 Qe3+
13 Kc3 Bg7+
14 Kc4 Be6#

White should have quitted on 12

Jan-10-06   EmperorAtahualpa: An entertaining game, with a pun reminding me of that great song.

Also make sure to see the following game, with a similar opening: K Haglund vs H Mineur, 1981

Jan-10-06   pilot: The King's Gambit is a very tricky opening and there are a few ways to get out of this without playing 6.Kd2 (which is definately a mistake as witnessed in this game). Aside from the Muzio gambit with 5.Bc4 allowing the knight to drop, a 'safer' option is playing 6.g3 followed by 7.Qxg4 since the knight on e5 supports the white queen moving to g4.

Nowadays, people seem to like playing quieter defensive lines against the King's Gambit accepted with moves like 3..d6 or 3..h6 to support ..g5 Much less exciting and a real pain to White if the black pawn on f4 stays solidly throughout the game.

Jan-10-06   DeepBlade: Jesus, I didnt know how fragile the KGA is for White! This is definatly a gambit gone wrong.
Jan-10-06
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  OhioChessFan: The song was by Stealer's Wheel. Was Gerry Rafferty a part of that group? I sure don't think so. Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
Jan-10-06
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  OhioChessFan: Well, google me and call me Charlie. A quick search found out that Gerry Rafferty was in fact a member of Stealers Wheel. It was a surprise to see that it's a Dylan song.
Jan-10-06
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  WannaBe: <mahmoudkubba> notice how the king is "stuck in the middle" of the chess board? And no other pieces from queen side even moved.

Reminds me of the movie: "Reservoir Dogs".

Jan-10-06   Calculon: <BiLL RobeRTiE>, are you the same Bill Robertie who assisted in writing the two 'Harrington on Holdem' Poker books?
Jan-10-06   TopaLove: The line I like in this opening is 5.Bc4
Jan-10-06
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  OhioChessFan: <Bill RobeRTiE>, are you the same Bill Robertie who lived next door to me and never retunred my tool set before skipping town?
Jan-10-06
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  weisyschwarz: The King's Gambit Accepted has to be the two-edged sword in chess. You either slay quickly, and with style or die quickly and embarrassingly. I prefer to decline it, figuring that the opponent knows how to wield that sword.
Jan-10-06   morpstau: g.h. Mackenzie won the second and fourth american championships. He was indeed a good player but the won who would slay him is the winner of the first WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, THE GREAT PAUL MORPHY
Jan-21-06   kvcs: <OhioChessFan> "Well, google me and call me Charlie. A quick search found out that Gerry Rafferty was in fact a member of Stealers Wheel. It was a surprise to see that it's a Dylan song."

This is one of <Ancr's> favorite songs. He wishs to know where you got that Dylan is the composer. Site details and others say that Joe Egan and Gerry Rafferty should be credited.

AO

Jan-21-06
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  OhioChessFan: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Bo...
Feb-26-08
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  Knight13: Looks like White didn't study the KGA enough huh.
Apr-06-09   WhiteRook48: better with 4 Bc4 g4 5 Ne5
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